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Just posted the Camby news in the NBA Thread.
Anyways, that's crazy. I didn't think Portland would get rid of Blake.
Hmm.. so the Clips do bite on the Outlaw offer and get a SF they were looking for.
Just posted the Camby news in the NBA Thread.
Anyways, that's crazy. I didn't think Portland would get rid of Blake.
Clippers made out like bandits...
Outlaw at SF Griffen at PF and Kaman at C is a studly front court.
isn't that just trading expiring for expirings?
Must be some cash from Portland thrown in to cover Sterling's housing-related legal expenses.
Official:
Source: Camby dealt to Blazers
ESPN.com news services
Two struggling teams looked to each other for help on Monday.
The Los Angeles Clippers agreed to trade Marcus Camby to the Portland Trail Blazers for Travis Outlaw and Steve Blake, a source close to the situation told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher.
The 35-year-old Camby is second in the league in rebounding this season at 12.1 boards per game, to go along with 7.7 points. The Blazers have had a hole in the middle of their lineup since Gred Oden went down with a knee injury in December.
The 6-foot-9 Outlaw is averaging 9.9 points and 3.5 rebounds per game in his seventh season with Portland. Blake, a 6-3 guard, is putting up 7.6 points and 4.0 assists per game. He's coming off a 20-point, 12-assist game in a win over the Suns before the All-Star break.
Ric Bucher covers the NBA for ESPN The Magazine.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angele...ory?id=4917644
If the Spurs can unload RJ for Maggette (who's an upgrade on his own), Randolph (a potential franchise-level player down the road) and Bell or Turiaf (potential contributors), you do that deal -- it's the best short and long-term deal I've seen for the franchise.
For a good chunk of the season, Thomas and Salmons has been the deal I thought best addressed the needs of the team as-is. But it'd definitely be my second choice if presented the aforementioned deal.
They get at least one player in Outlaw that they will want to keep. Since they have full Bird rights on Outlaw and Blake it's very likely that they'll be able to retain one or both.
Of course, there will probably be a thread about how the Spurs were asleep at the wheel and how Bonner and Mason are better than Outlaw and Blake.
V-Bookie on Camby's health?
I don't know if Nelson could get drunk enough without dying in order to sign off on that deal.
Weekend at Bernies?(it was in response to scottspurs question)
Maggette? really?
Maggette's one of the most improved players in the league this year. Really . . .
Im going to bed. I expect to wake up in the morning or Wed or thursday and see the spurs have made a trade that includes Mason.
Hopefully business picks up on Tuesday:
WojYahooNBA
GM's and agents expect flurry of activity Tuesday. Everyone was holding deck close today, including PHX and Cavs. Best offers are on way.
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Comparing the GS trade you outlined to the Chicago trade - is Randolph that much better than Thomas? I haven't seen either play enough to have a solid opinion. Aside from a potentially fools gold type dominant summer league performance has Randolph done anything in the NBA? My impression is that Randolph "gets it" - at least offensively - moreso than Thomas, but that he has as little interest in defense as Maggette does. Maybe it's just a result of Nellieball, but two all-offense players as part of the long-term plans for the Spurs? I just don't see how that works.
Defensively, my impression is Salmons-Thomas would be a better fit than Maggette-Randolph.
But like I said before, I haven't seen either player play enough to be certain about any of this.
Have any thoughts WRT Randolph vs Thomas?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yj5mug8
Spurs receive: David Lee
Bobcats receive: Roger Mason
Knicks Receive: McGrady, Augustin, Murray
Rockets Receive: Harrington, Jeffries, Hill, Finley.
Can we work our way into the McGrady Deal and land Lee?
Maggette Randolph and Bell for RJ and whatever?
Sigh, damn, your a good salesman
Shaw, I wish...
Alright let's see how much players get picked up by other teams that us fans want:
Haywood - gone
Camby - gone
Ty Thomas/Salmons - ?
Murphy - ?
Iggy/Dalembert - ?
Anthony Randolph -?
Raja Bell -?
Just take Dunleavy instead of Foster and Jones. He's an expiring next year, and he was good for a bit before his latest injury...Jefferson, RMJ, Bonner, Mahinmi and a first for Murphy, Foster and Dahntay Jones?
A career-high FG% of 52.9 and a free throw percentage higher than his carreer average is impressive, (84.1% this year) but how does a wing that is shooting .238 from three point range this year and and is a career 32% three point shooter fit the Spurs offense?*
*I suppose "better than Jefferson" is a legit answer...
Corey Maggette's so called improvement is sure helping the Warriors have the 3rd worst record in the NBA at 14-37.
Wow he avgs 20pts for a team that scores 108 a game. Maggette plays for stats not for wins. Stop w/ this he's what we need
Maggette demands the ball more than RJ does. He would not work in SA.
Randolph is all about the long-term -- he's most likely out for the rest of this year and his value's in his potential, anyway. (think shades of Bosh and Odom) And Maggette is the "poison pill" to get your hands on Randolph, but he's really not all that poison -- he's having a career year and his contract, while not ideal, isn't as terrible as most would have you believe. His game, imo, is something that translates regardless of team, and I actually think he's going to be an ideal 6th Man (which he's perfectly fine being) moving forward.
They'd have to really be sold on Randolph to take on Maggette's contract, though -- even if I don't think it's terrible, all things considered, it'd be a departure in Holt and the Spurs' business model.
Whereas Randolph is a potential franchise-level, skill player ... Thomas is a high-energy, versatile defensive player (at least that's where he's capable of really standing out). He's a poor man's Amar'e if you look at where and how he operates offensively in the halfcourt: face-ups from the elbows and baseline, and excels finishing off others play-making and/or in close proximity to the rim. But he's not someone I look to being a star, more-so a prominent role player with X-factor capability.
Salmons-Thomas is the better fit and would give you the best opportunity to make some noise this year, but I'm afraid that's all it'd be: noise.
Neither of these moves is netting this team a le this year, but they're both moves you do if given the opportunity. There's just not much downside either way -- there's actually a good-to-great amount of upside moving forward.
Maggette is (this season) a better player than Salmons has been, a hugely efficient volume scorer. However, Salmons is probably a better option unless we expect that Maggette keeps this up, his contract is what makes him expendable to the Warriors, and Salmons' fit in terms of his defense and sligtly better shooting(and shorter contract) make him a better fit. Randolph gets it a bit better than Ty, and is game is a bit less raw, and can facilitate on offense. We've shown prior interest in Maggette, though at a far lower price than his current deal. The deals are both fairly similar, the GS option has more talent, but Chicago is less long term commitment and a better fit.
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