Official All Kobe, All The Time Thread

[himat]

From The OC today (via TrueHoop)

The best player in the NBA sat during the Celtics-Lakers game Thursday night. Can't blame him. By then, LeBron James had scored 43 points and added 15 assists and 13 rebounds. Poor fella had to be exhausted. Sorry, Lakers fans, but the best player in the league today isn't your guy. Is there anyone other than Kobe Bryant we'd rather have with the ball at the end of a game waiting to be won? No. Is there anyone better suited than le-tested Bryant to lead these Lakers on another postseason run? No. Is there anyone more polished than Bryant at the art of rescuing unexpected victory from looming defeat? No. But is there anyone in the NBA better than LeBron James right now? No. No. And -- say this one with extra-special emphasis -- no! Breathe deep, Kobe Nation. We know you get a little defensive when it comes to questions about Bryant's status as a living bronze statue. And recall that just a few weeks ago Bryant was anointed as 'unguardable' in this very space. If there's a word that pays greater homage to a basketball player, we've never heard it. But still, James scores more, assists more and rebounds more. He blocks more shots and shoots field goals more accurately, even three-pointers."

I agree with MOST of this ... EXCEPT the 3 point shots ...yes his % is better but I would pay to watch Lebron jack up 3's like he did at the end of the game last night.

Something about when and the WAY he shoots them fading backwards that bugs me ...(sorry Im a coach)

But as the writer states Lebron scores more, rebounds more blocks more shots (though I still think when motivated Kobe is STILL the better defender)

Lebron has passed Kobe (not by whole lot) but it IS tangible. All he needs to do is show it by winning a ring. He HAS the cast now lead them to the promise land at LEast twice ...and the CROWN will be RIGHTFULLY his and his alone.

As a side note even though i would take A lebron drive over ANY basketball play ...I still rather have Melo or Kobe SHOOT with the game on the line ...like the writer states here.

No problem admitting this we just need the rings to validate what most already know ...

LeBron is a better "statistics" defender because he always comes off the weakside to get blocks, steals, boards, etc. If I wanted a player to defend the opposing team's best player I would pick Kobe 9 times out of 10.

Offensively...LeBron>Kobe except for the last minute.

[ChrisRichards]

Y'all just lucky I can't talk about LeBron due to losing a bet to Behold the King.

Or else I'd point out the painfully obvious from last night

Wait, 42, 13 and 15 last night and you're going to roast Bron's ass? Id like to see you try maggot.

[KidCongo]

Y'all just lucky I can't talk about LeBron due to losing a bet to Behold the King.

Or else I'd point out the painfully obvious from last night

That bet made this a better place

[cobbler]

Wait, 42, 13 and 15 last night and you're going to roast Bron's ass? Id like to see you try maggot.

Funny...wasnt it just a couple weeks ago you were on your daily kobe rant about him shooting an inefficient 45% and jacking up 30+ shots to his numbers? Huh?

LBJ shot 45% and took 33 shots to get his 42 points. He also jacked up numerous missing 3's in the waning minutes and was the defender on the player hitting the game winning shot.

I just love how your criteria changes to fit your distorted vison.

[ChrisRichards]

Funny...wasnt it just a couple weeks ago you were on your daily kobe rant about him shooting an inefficient 45% and jacking up 30+ shots to his numbers? Huh?

LBJ shot 45% and took 33 shots to get his 42 points. He also jacked up numerous missing 3's in the waning minutes and was the defender on the player hitting the game winning shot.

I just love how your criteria changes to fit your distorted vison.

WTF?! Lebron had 13 assists and 15 boards on top of that. My problem with Kobe was no only will he shoot 30 times to get his 36 points but he would'nt add anything else to the game.

I never changed my criteria.

[cobbler]

WTF?! Lebron had 13 assists and 15 boards on top of that. My problem with Kobe was no only will he shoot 30 times to get his 36 points but he would'nt add anything else to the game.

I never changed my criteria.

Oh....so it's only inefficient shooting if you shoot 30+ shots at 45% and get 5-8 assists and 7-10 boards. An increase in assists and rebounding magically transforms ones shot selection and effeciency. Nice to know.

I am kinda curious how you can conclude that ANY player who leads their team in assists, constantly commands double teams, and guards the oppositions 1st or 2nd option regularly doesn't add anything to the game except points. Or is that just ONE player?

[pauls931]

So this is taking the place of that gay tlong blazer thread from last year...

[Allanon]

So this is taking the place of that gay tlong blazer thread from last year...

You do realize there's only one (1) extra Kobe thread on the front page today?.

This "Kobe All the Time thread" is finally doing its job and its a beautiful thing.

[RedsLakers24]

WTF?! Lebron had 13 assists and 15 boards on top of that. My problem with Kobe was no only will he shoot 30 times to get his 36 points but he would'nt add anything else to the game.

I never changed my criteria.

Dude Kobe and the Lakers run the triangle offense, the Cavs offense is just give the ball to lebron and stand behind the 3 point line, he dominates the ball just like a PG so that explains why he gets so much assist, look at Jordans career high in APG before the triangle and then look at his ASP in the triangle, u will see they will drop because of the triangle

[Chieflion]

Dude Kobe and the Lakers run the triangle offense, the Cavs offense is just give the ball to lebron and stand behind the 3 point line, he dominates the ball just like a PG so that explains why he gets so much assist, look at Jordans career high in APG before the triangle and then look at his ASP in the triangle, u will see they will drop because of the triangle

Kobe Bryant Usage percentage: 33.0
LeBron James Usage Percentage: 33.9

I don't see a significant difference in ball domination yet LeBron has a way higher assist percentage than Kobe.

Kobe Bryant assist percentage: 22.4
LeBron James assist percentage: 42.1

Jordan in 1987-1988 Usage Percentage: 34.1
Jordan in 1988-1989 Usage percentage: 32.1
Jordan in 1989-1990 Usage Percentage: 33.7

Jordan assist percentage in 1987-1988: 27.0
Jordan assist percentage in 1988-1989: 34.7
Jordan assist percentage in 1989-1990: 28.6

So while Jordan switched to the Triangle in 1989-1990, he also managed to get his assist percentage above 25% and it was a tad above his 1987-1988 statistics, although it did drop. Jordan also never has an assist percentage over 40%.

[cobbler]

Kobe Bryant Usage percentage: 33.0
LeBron James Usage Percentage: 33.9

I don't see a significant difference in ball domination yet LeBron has a way higher assist percentage than Kobe.

Kobe Bryant assist percentage: 22.4
LeBron James assist percentage: 42.1

Jordan in 1987-1988 Usage Percentage: 34.1
Jordan in 1988-1989 Usage percentage: 32.1
Jordan in 1989-1990 Usage Percentage: 33.7

Jordan assist percentage in 1987-1988: 27.0
Jordan assist percentage in 1988-1989: 34.7
Jordan assist percentage in 1989-1990: 28.6

So while Jordan switched to the Triangle in 1989-1990, he also managed to get his assist percentage above 25% and it was a tad above his 1987-1988 statistics, although it did drop. Jordan also never has an assist percentage over 40%.

Which only goes to show you that LBJ's supporting cast shoots better than Kobe's.

[Chieflion]

Which only goes to show you that LBJ's supporting cast shoots better than Kobe's.

Whatever. I could also say that LeBron draws more attention from the defense and he has way better court vision which gets his teammates easy layups and open 3 pointers.

[cobbler]

Whatever. I could also say that LeBron draws more attention from the defense and he has way better court vision which gets his teammates easy layups and open 3 pointers.

First off, that is a completely absurd comment about Lebron drawing more attention. Come on. They both commonly drawy double and even triple teams.

And watching the game the other night against the Nuggets I made the observation that LBJ's teamates have gotten very adept at slashing to the basket and getting those easy layups. Your assists totals and effeciency are only going to be as good as the players your are passing it to. I dont even have to go look and ill bet the Cavs core shoots a better % than the Lakers core.

[Chieflion]

First off, that is a completely absurd comment about Lebron drawing more attention. Come on. They both commonly drawy double and even triple teams.

And watching the game the other night against the Nuggets I made the observation that LBJ's teamates have gotten very adept at slashing to the basket and getting those easy layups. Your assists totals and effeciency are only going to be as good as the players your are passing it to. I dont even have to go look and ill bet the Cavs core shoots a better % than the Lakers core.

Do you even have understanding of what assist percentage is?

[cobbler]

Do you even have understanding of what assist percentage is?

Yes.... it is an estimate of the percentage of a players posession that results in an assist.

Would you like the formula?

100 * AST / (((Minutes Played / (Team Minutes Played / 5)) * Team Field Goals) - Field Goals)

Any more questions I can help you with?

[Chieflion]

Yes.... it is an estimate of the percentage of a players posession that results in an assist.

Would you like the formula?

100 * AST / (((Minutes Played / (Team Minutes Played / 5)) * Team Field Goals) - Field Goals)

Any more questions I can help you with?

Therefore you should know how significant a 20% difference is. Fan troll.

[mavs>spurs2]

i saw this thread was stickied and thought it must have been something important, but then i realized it was just the same gots knob slobbing and cheerleading for kobe

[cobbler]

Therefore you should know how significant a 20% difference is. Fan troll.

Please enlighten us! Explain how significant that 20% is. Please show me how an estimate with several team stats involved accurately portrays an individual. Its just another stat for the stat boys. Not unlike +/-. Your indiidual numbers are directly impacted by the quality of play in your teamates and as we both know, LBJ has better shooting teamates.


Note: Where are all your LBJ is Jacking up 25+ shots and garbage late game 3's to get his 30 points posts? hmmmmmmmm

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

Wow, this thread is lame. If I wanted to read the whole thing I could probably put major ownage on both Kobe lovers and Kobe haters. He'll be out of the league in a few years, and you'll all find someone new to hate.

Carry on feeding each other.

[Allanon]

timvp make me a mod, I'll suck your
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147104

Now, THAT's some knob-slobbing

[milkshakeballa]

For the season to date, the Lakers rank 11th in the league in offensive efficiency, scoring 106.6 points per 100 possessions, well over the league average of 104.2. Over the past five games, the Lakers have played the Warriors (28th-ranked defense), the Jazz (11th-ranked defense), the Spurs (9th-ranked defense), the Blazers (17th-ranked defense), and the Celtics (1st-ranked defense), and their four victories came by double digits for an average margin of 10.6 points.

On the surface, it appears the offense must be performing better sans Kobe. But looking deeper into the numbers, the surprising truth is that, despite the Lakers’ dominance over those five games, they’ve actually been performing noticeably worse than normal. Indeed, the Lakers’ offensive efficiency, on average, during the past five games has been 102.8 — 3.8 lower than their season average. While these numbers don’t definitively prove anything, they likewise don’t provide any evidence that the offense performed better without Bryant; the opposite has been the case.

So how do we explain the Lakers’ excellent play these past five games? Surprisingly, it’s on the defensive end where they’ve stepped up their game, playing far above their standard. For the season, the Lakers rank second in the league in defensive efficiency, allowing 99.6 points per 100 possessions, but in the past five games they’ve allowed an average of just 91.5 points per 100 possessions.

[cobbler]

But Miami/Chris/Harlem and Chief insist the Lakers offense was more efficient without Kobe so you must have messed up with those numbers.

[RsxPiimp]

People should just bookmark this page. Everytime someone brings up a topic about "Lakers offense are better with Kobe", they should just copy and paste that till eternity.

[JamStone]

i saw this thread was stickied and thought it must have been something important, but then i realized it was just the same gots knob slobbing and cheerleading for kobe

This thread was stickied for all the obsessive Kobe haters as much as for the Kobe knob slobbers. Don't get it twisted. Delusional Kobe haters got him on the brain just as much as delusional Kobe fan.

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

This thread was stickied for all the obsessive Kobe haters as much as for the Kobe knob slobbers. Don't get it twisted. Delusional Kobe haters got him on the brain just as much as delusional Kobe fan.

+1

So, I'll feed them with two good questions.

1) Kobe returns tonight. In the Lakers last 2 losses to Memphis,

March 28, 2008. Kobe scored 53 points on 19 of 37 shooting, 9 of 17 from 3 point country, and 6 of 7 from the line
February 1, 2010 Kobe scored 44 points on 16 for 28 shooting, 4 of 7 from 3 point country, and 8 of 13 from the line.

I didn't look at the Lakers wins to see how Kobe did. Kobe did pass to Artest in the latter game for the potential buzzer beating win, but this was the game he seemed to go out of his way to pass Jerry West as the leading Lakers scorer.

So, my question is, now that his team has won 4 of 5 without him, how many shots will Kobe take tonight?

This leads to the second question, and it's a tough one.

2) In 2007 no one was probably happier than Tim Duncan when Tony Parker won the finals MVP. Would Kobe feel the same way if another Lakers won the finals MVP this year if the Lakers win it all?

Here's some hypothetical scenarios for a Lakers 2010 finals, don't laugh at them, it's just an illustration:

Finals MVP candidates:

A) Pau Gasol dominates Kevin Garnett offensively and defensively Putting up 20 points, 20 rebounds, 5 assists and 5 blocks every game.
B) Ron Artest's defense takes LeBron/Pierce/Carter out of their game plan and his offense is strong.
C) Lamar Odom comes of the bench like a man possessed, putting up 20 points, 20 rebounds, 5 assists and 5 blocks every game.
D) Andrew Bynum finds his game by dominating Shaq/Howard/Perkins putting them in foul trouble every game and averaging 25 points and 20 rebounds.
E) Derek Fisher, in limited minutes, draws 10 charges a game and hits many critical buzzer beaters.

If you look back at last year's finals, Kobe came out in game one shooting.He scored 40 points and was 16 for 34, 0 for 1 from 3 point country, and 8 for 8 from the line. Even in the game 6 loss to Boston the year before, Kobe was trying about every shot of the Lakers in the first quarter.

The above paragraph seems to show that Kobe may be trying to play legacy ball. In other words, dominate and a me-first win at ude. Of course, actions like these put him in firm control of the finals MVP if the Lakers win.

So, if it game down to a game 7 in the 2010 finals, and his teammates were playing as I described in my hypotheticals, would Kobe try to win the series himself by taking over and go for the personal glory, or would he keep feeding the player that was doing the best job on his team? Also, what if Kobe went for the MVP and that meant the Lakers lose game 7? How would Kobe handle another Laker getting the finals MVP honor?

Let's see what you have to say.