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    He seems to be doing more for them than Collison is for the Hornets. Congrats to Collison, he can run pick and rolls with West all day and run up his stat line.
    Why is he shooting a higher percentage than Jennings?

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    Do they do it anywhere near as often as Nawlins runs pick and rolls with West? I highly doubt that considering the Collison/Paul-West pick and roll is the one play New Orleans runs in the half court.
    That was with Byron Scott. They've made lots of changes since Bower took over and Tim Floyd was hired as top assistant. They run alot more motion now and set up plays for other guys like Peja, Thornton, and even Okafor at times. West is posting up alot more than in the past.

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    Why is he shooting a higher percentage than Jennings?

    Running pick and rolls with players like David West and Amare Stoudemire create higher percentage shots for PG's, and you're kidding yourself if you think the Bucks run half as many pick and rolls as the Hornets do, or if you think Bogut is as good as pick and roll big as West is.

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    Running pick and rolls with players like David West and Amare Stoudemire create higher percentage shots for PG's, and you're kidding yourself if you think the Bucks run half as many pick and rolls as the Hornets do, or if you think Bogut is as good as pick and roll big as West is.
    Again, the Hornets aren't a pick n roll team anymore. They play more uptempo than previous seasons and spread the floor now going smaller. Also run plays for other people too. The biggest reason why the Hornets are struggling is defensively. They were a top ten team the last two seasons. With Okafor at center, they've become bottom-ten defensively.

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    Again, the Hornets aren't a pick n roll team anymore. They play more uptempo than previous seasons and spread the floor now going smaller. Also run plays for other people too. The biggest reason why the Hornets are struggling is defensively. They were a top ten team the last two seasons. With Okafor at center, they've become bottom-ten defensively.

    OK so they go small and speed up the game......more ways to inflate PG numbers.

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    They play more uptempo than previous seasons and spread the floor now going smaller.

    That's what happens when you speed up the tempo and go small.....you start to suck at defense.

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    OK so they go small and speed up the game......more ways to inflate PG numbers.
    The Bucks go small too with Ridnhour and Jennings in the backcourt.

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    That's what happens when you speed up the tempo and go small.....you start to suck at defense.
    They miss Chandler defensively, but their tempo is still good with Okafor in the game especially with Thornton and Collison running the floor.

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    at changing your argument midstream from pick n roll offense inflates his stats to now small ball does. What do you have against this guy?

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    at changing your argument midstream from pick n roll offense inflates his stats to now small ball does. What do you have against this guy?
    I don't understand how the Hornets' style of play can be used against Collison.

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    They miss Chandler defensively, but their tempo is still good with Okafor in the game especially with Thornton and Collison running the floor.

    My point is that speeding up the tempo is known to inflate PG stats. We all know what happened to Steve Nash when Terry Porter tried to incorporate a traditional offense.

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    My point is that speeding up the tempo is known to inflate PG stats. We all know what happened to Steve Nash when Terry Porter tried to incorporate a traditional offense.
    Of course it does, but it doesn't mean Jennings would be as productive.

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    He's hasn't produced much since his first month in the league yet everyone is acting like he's having a great season. The Bucks spread the floor when Illyasova comes in a PF with Salmons a SF.

    Basically, Jennings isn't play as well as everyone thinks he is. Basically Collison is having a better season yet you don't want to admit it.
    Re-read the thread, I've been arguing for Collison all along.

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    at changing your argument midstream from pick n roll offense inflates his stats to now small ball does. What do you have against this guy?

    I didn't change my argument. Pick and rolls + small ball are both ways to inflate PG stats. And I have nothing against Collison, he's simply not as good as Jennings. Jennings would put up better numbers if he played in a gimmicky offense that d pick and rolls and played small ball.

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    Re-read the thread, I've been arguing for Collison all along.
    I know, LOL. I tried to delete it before you read it.

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    I don't understand how the Hornets' style of play can be used against Collison.

    Because it's a style of play that caters to making the PG look good. Jennings as mogro pointed out is being taught how to play real basketball and run a real offense.

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    I didn't change my argument. Pick and rolls + small ball are both ways to inflate PG stats. And I have nothing against Collison, he's simply not as good as Jennings. Jennings would put up better numbers if he played in a gimmicky offense that d pick and rolls and played small ball.
    It's not true. He doesn't score effectively enough. Collison is shooting better than him.

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    Because it's a style of play that caters to making the PG look good. Jennings as mogro pointed out is being taught how to play real basketball and run a real offense.
    Hollinger and Mogro were comparing Jennings to Curry and Evans. That article had nothing to do with Collison.

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    It's not true. He doesn't score effectively enough. Collison is shooting better than him.

    Collison shooting better is directly because of the offense, that's what I'm saying.

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    Collison shooting better is directly because of the offense, that's what I'm saying.
    I don't think so. Jennings is settling for alot more jumpers and he's missing badly. He needs to relax a little bit.

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    Well, this argument is going nowhere. I wish I was more like you and took more pride in the Phoenix Suns creating a system that inflates the stats of point guards and didn't care that that system can't win . Prahps to them for inflating Collison's stats.

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    I don't think so. Jennings is settling for alot more jumpers and he's missing badly. He needs to relax a little bit.

    He'd be able to drive more if he had a pick and roll big who could shoot like David West and suck defenders out of the paint.

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    He'd be able to drive more if he had a pick and roll big who could shoot like David West and suck defenders out of the paint.
    The Bucks have decent shooters, even besides Bogut. I just think he's not playing with alot of confidence.

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    bucks play one of the slowest pace and runs very tight offensive set, unlike hornets who play a uptempo pace with a lot of freedom.

    jennings is a very very low turnover point guard, which is rare and very impressive.

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    Well, this argument is going nowhere. I wish I was more like you and took more pride in the Phoenix Suns creating a system that inflates the stats of point guards and didn't care that that system can't win . Prahps to them for inflating Collison's stats.
    Losing Tyson Chandler killed the Hornets defense. They were trying to trade him last season because they knew he would never be the same player again with his foot injury. Okafor hasn't provided the same presence defensively The team had a slow start due to a coaching change and alot of new players on the team, but hit their stride in January before CP3's knee injury. They were on their way to making the playoffs.

    The big problem with losing CP3 is not having anyone providing Collison's production off the bench. The team got much thinner with the injury.

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