Top 5 most one sided NBA trades since 1980

[jacobdrj]

Overachieve, underachieve. Not my point. Sir Charles didn't play defense. I don't care why. Steve Nash doesn't either. I don't blame him. But he doesn't play defense. Unless his surrounding team is so great as to overcome that, it makes you a liability.

[Goran Dragic]

Overachieve, underachieve. Not my point. Sir Charles didn't play defense. I don't care why. Steve Nash doesn't either. I don't blame him. But he doesn't play defense. Unless his surrounding team is so great as to overcome that, it makes you a liability.

yeah Sheed's never been a liability to his team.

[jacobdrj]

Detroit had 2 issues. First, it was an unusual situation where everything other than a scoring star was there (2nd best defense, 2nd best offensive bench, up and coming PG, defensive culture). Any scoring machine would have put them over the top. Sheed was not that. He merely enhanced the defense.

Second, Ben Wallace. He needed a man-on post defender to be effective (read: Win). Before Cliff Robinson became a Piston, Ben had a phenominal year in terms of stats, but the team defense was just medeocre, and the Pistons had a 32-50 record. In comes Cliff Robinson, and Ben's talent shined. Cliff was debateabley the best man-on post defender in the NBA at the time, being able to guard everyone from Duncan to Shaq well. Bam! 50-32. But he couldn't grab a board or score a point in the post season. He had off the court issues as well. Pistons dumped him. Pistons didn't play well the next season to start off. Not awful but not great. Until Sheed came to fill Cliff's shoes on defense and provide a teeny weeny bit more offense in the playoffs, the Pistons were ineffective on defense in terms of W and L.

RMoR wouldn't have helped Ben on defense. Might not have mattered, but it was a unique situation.

Also, IMHO it wasn't Sheed being lazy, so much as it was coaches not understanding his role. Pistons got rid of the post scorer, Corliss Williamson. Every coach, including Brown, tried to do what nobody else could, get Sheed to pick up the slack. He was not the Pistons' go-to-guy in 2004. Never should have been. But every coach, including Brown, tried to rely on him. That is both the coach's fault and Joe D's for not getting a post player when we lost Corliss. He thought he got one when he signed McDyess. But all McDyess was, was a replacement for Okur. A jump shooting big.

[jacobdrj]

yeah Sheed's never been a liability to his team.

Of course he has. He was a problem in Portland when Dunleavy relied on him as a post scoring star, and he reverted to a problem when Larry, Flip and Curry tried to rely on him offensively as a post scoring star.

When he was allowed to 'do his thing' on defense and offense, he was a huge plus.

I think over time, a guy like Sir Charles who would not play defense, would become a liability as well. Don't forget how he clashed in Houston. he had issues on the Suns from my understanding before all was said and done...

[Bookit]

One of the worst trades(from a Rockets perspective) was an aging Charles Barkley for 26 year old Robert Horry and 26 year old sam cassell(plus spare parts) My father is a Rockets fan and still es about that trade.

[jacobdrj]

One of the worst trades(from a Rockets perspective) was an aging Charles Barkley for 26 year old Robert Horry and 26 year old sam cassell(plus spare parts) My father is a Rockets fan and still es about that trade.

I didn't even realize... Rox basically traded away all their 'clutch'. Dayum.

[Goran Dragic]

Of course he has. He was a problem in Portland when Dunleavy relied on him as a post scoring star, and he reverted to a problem when Larry, Flip and Curry tried to rely on him offensively as a post scoring star.

When he was allowed to 'do his thing' on defense and offense, he was a huge plus.

I think over time, a guy like Sir Charles who would not play defense, would become a liability as well. Don't forget how he clashed in Houston. he had issues on the Suns from my understanding before all was said and done...

He got ejected from a must-win playoff game and his team wound up losing. Barkley never did anything like that.

[Muser]

Sheed also fails in the clutch defensively.

[jacobdrj]

He got ejected from a must-win playoff game and his team wound up losing. Barkley never did anything like that.

Fair enough. But I am comparing bodies of work. As far as I know, Sheed never spit on a fan either... But the beauty of the Pistons is that they didn't need anything out of Sheed other than his defense in 2004. Unfortunately, in 2005 and on, they did... Neither won les as focal points of the offense. For different reasons. Sheed was a solid citizen on the court in Detroit until maybe last season.

[jacobdrj]

Sheed also fails in the clutch defensively.

(Pistons shouldn't have even been in the Finals in 2005, Miami was the better team)

[Goran Dragic]

Fair enough. But I am comparing bodies of work. As far as I know, Sheed never spit on a fan either... But the beauty of the Pistons is that they didn't need anything out of Sheed other than his defense in 2004. Unfortunately, in 2005 and on, they did... Neither won les as focal points of the offense. For different reasons. Sheed was a solid citizen on the court in Detroit until maybe last season.

They were both hot headed in their own ways who did plenty of dumb things in the heat of the moment. Charles Barkley carried the 1993 Suns to 62 wins, won MVP, and took them to the finals. That's something Sheed was never capable of doing. Players aren't remembered for being defensive role players. When the showtime Lakers are talked about Michael Cooper's defense isn't what's remembered, Magic's offense is.

[Booharv]

(Pistons shouldn't have even been in the Finals in 2005, Miami was the better team)

Yeah, but they almost definitely win the series if he doesn't leave Horry alone on that shot. When you blow an NBA Finals it has to be mentioned in your resume.

[Muser]

(Pistons shouldn't have even been in the Finals in 2005, Miami was the better team)

Doesn't discount the fact he left a man known to make big shots wide open. I'll discount '99 because that was more a miracle shot.

[JamStone]

Almost definitely.

[Booharv]

Almost definitely.

This is a shot at me somehow but I'm not smart enough to get it.

[baseline bum]

For the Cavaliers, trading what became the #1 overall pick in the 1982 Draft to the Lake Show for Don Ford and Chad Kinch. The trade was made late in the 1979-80 season and why it was made is unknown; the Cavaliers were pretty much out of the playoff race at that point anyway. All L.A. had to do was sit on the pick and watch gleefully as the Cavaliers imploded under the stewardship of Ted Stepien.

Of course, the pick eventually turned into James Worthy. Cleveland would have likely selected Clark Kellogg of Cleveland St. Joseph's HS and Ohio State, who was the biggest prep hoop star to come out of NE Ohio before LeBron James. Special K would have provided a major boost for the anemic attendance numbers at the old Coliseum. And he was a damn good player for the Pacers before his knees betrayed him.

Freaking Clark Kellogg. When I was a little kid I got all but one card of my 86-87 Fleer set autographed at games, and Kellogg was the one missing piece since he never seemed to travel with Indy.