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You certainly don't know what's in it now. That's why you keep bringing up Canada.
According to Pelosi, they need to pass that steaming turd, so we can all find out what's in it.
Evidently, there's something in it for everyone -- just not the middle class. They just pick up the tab.
You certainly don't know what's in it now. That's why you keep bringing up Canada.
It's probably nothing like the Canadian system.
So why do you and Yoni keep acting like it is?
lol....That's what I was thinking. Then throw in those who just don't want it. This health care take over is ing CRAZY!
Really? And why what you posted originally reads:
— at a cost to family and friends of $106,000 —
True, it's more like the Hawaiian system that Rush loved so much.
Care to back this up?
Official numbers put patient satisfaction at 85%...
And the polls I've seen from private pollsters point towards about the same numbers...
"This health care take over"
You Lie
Thankfully, this may be moot.
Ruling Kills an Option for Moving Health Bill
So, basically, as I understand it; the President will have to sign the current legislation into law before it can undergo reconciliation...and that ain't gonna happen unless they catch about 15 Democrats with dead girls or live boys in the next few days.
And, even those could go "Massa" on them.
Last edited by Yonivore; 03-11-2010 at 06:08 PM.
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I liken this scenario to the public school system. If it is really so bad, you can choose to go bankrupt (or at least bite the proverbial bullet) and get a private school education. Everyone pays, but you have the option. My parents decided, despite their poverty, and despite there being a functional public school system in my area, to pay 'double' to send me and my siblings to private school.
Even IF the public school system in America is a mess (and here in my new home of Detroit Proper it is nowhere else worse) it is still a viable option. It is hard, but available. That is an ideal system. And unlike school, nobody will force you to attend your free medical exam. For every hypochondriac there is probably a health pussy who is too scared to go to the doctor.
The Senate Parliamentarian can be overruled by the Vice President. So if Joe gives thethey simply can go ahead and do it.
Slip of the tongue. Point out where in the bill it specifically outlaws private insurers OR health care?
As Speaker Pelosi has so eloquently pointed out, they need to pass it before we'll know what's in it.
But, if it's the Senate Bill that passed before Christmas this is eventually signed into law, There are the penalties for non-insurance that will drive people away from private to government insurance and there are price controls that will drive medical professionals out of the business.
Use your logic, LnGrrrR. If there is an individual mandate for insurance -- which there is, who is left to seek private health care? The logical outcome is that all medical professionals are part of the "plan" and unable to provide care outside the system.
If that's not the case, Obamacare won't work. Better yet, if that's the case, why not just expand Medicare and insure the uninsured now? No, they have to drive everyone off private insurance and everyone out of private medical care for their scheme to work.
I can't believe you think this legislation is on the up and up with all the shenanigans they're pulling to get it into law.
This "Slaughter" tactic, if they employ it, is going to seal the Democrats' fate in November.
It's starting to look like Democrats have signed on to some kind of "Suicide Pact" to pass Obamacare.
Approval for the plan continues to drop.
Approval for the Congress (and the leadership in particular) is reaching new lows.
Approval for Obama, himself, is seeing new lows, as well.
But, in spite of it all, they continue to press forward with the insanity.
Very tasteful cartoon, Yoni. I'm sure the families and comrades of US servicemen killed by suicide bombers have a newfound respect for you -- to say nothing of the Muslim peoples about whom you profess to care so much.
It's starting to look like Democrats have signed on to some kind of "Suicide Pact" to pass Obamacare.
Approval for the plan continues to drop.
Approval for the Congress (and the leadership in particular) is reaching new lows.
Approval for Obama, himself, is seeing new lows, as well.
But, in spite of it all, they continue to press forward with the insanity.
Poll: More disapprove of Bush than any other presidentStory Highlights
President Bush's disapproval rating hits all-time high in polling
More than 70 percent disapprove in CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll
Survey indicates support for Iraq war has never been lower
Low approval numbers come five years after "Mission Accomplished" moment
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By Paul Steinhauser
CNN Deputy Political Director
WASHINGTON DC (CNN) -- A new poll suggests that President Bush is the most unpopular president in modern American history.
A CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Thursday indicates that 71 percent of the American public disapprove of how Bush is handling his job as president.
"No president has ever had a higher disapproval rating in any CNN or Gallup Poll; in fact, this is the first time that any president's disapproval rating has cracked the 70 percent mark," said Keating Holland, CNN's polling director.
"Bush's approval rating, which stands at 28 percent in our new poll, remains better than the all-time lows set by Harry Truman and Richard Nixon [22 percent and 24 percent, respectively], but even those two presidents never got a disapproval rating in the 70s," Holland said. "The previous all-time record in CNN or Gallup polling was set by Truman, 67 percent disapproval in January 1952."
While Gallup polling goes back to the 1930s, it wasn't until the Truman years that they began surveying monthly approval ratings.
CNN Senior Political Analyst Bill Schneider adds, "He is more unpopular than Richard Nixon was just before he resigned from the presidency in August 1974."
President Nixon's disapproval rating in August 1974 stood at 66 percent
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The poll also indicates that support for the war in Iraq has never been lower. Thirty percent of those questioned favored the war, while 68 percent opposed it.
"Americans are growing more pessimistic about the war," Holland said. "In January, nearly half believed that things were going well for the U.S. in Iraq; now that figure has dropped to 39 percent."
The numbers on the Iraq war come on the five-year anniversary of Bush's "Mission Accomplished" moment on board the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln, when he proclaimed that "major combat operations in Iraq have ended."
The record-low support for the war in a CNN poll could be one reason behind the president's unpopularity, but it probably is not the only one.
"Support for the war, the assessment of the economy and approval of Mr. Bush are all about the same -- bad," Schneider said.
The CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll was conducted by telephone from Monday through Wednesday among 1,008 adult Americans.
The poll's sampling error is plus or minus 3 percentage
So since we have a poll that shows bush is the worst president ever then he must be..
I don't think any legislation is on the up-and-up. However, your logic pretty much defies any notion of free markets.
If people are unhappy with the private health care they're getting, there will be markets for better health care at higher prices. You pointed it out in a thread about medical surgery vacations.
Markets don't just disappear, for the most part. There will still be rich people who want to get health care done, and there's no way that overseas practices will be able to keep up with demand. So some practices in the states will exist to cater to rich clientele. They may have to change some business practices, but they will exist.
I'm highly skeptical of any one bill completely eliminating an entire market. And that's not even going into loopholes, errors in the bill, exceptions, graft, etc etc.
What Yoni's America-is-best ignorance prevents him from knowing is that all adult countries with national health insurance, even with govt-employed docs and nurses, still have robust private insurance for those who can afford to cover their deductibles and queue jump, much like HSA and Flex accounts allow US people to pay for their non-allowed medical expenses with pre-tax income.
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