Too much Bonner killed us

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Bonner had 10 points in 33 minutes.

Dice had 4 points in 16 minutes.

Not a good game to claim that Bonner's points were worth his awful rebounding, especially on a night that we were getting killed on the offensive glass.

Come on guys, even ploto gets it

[SaTownFan]

See this is the kind of reactionary bs this board was called out for. The Spurs could've won this game. They had done a great job, despite the refs, of moving the ball to their 2 best players, and you have to give credit to Horford for making a huge defensive play on reading Ginobili's short lob to Duncan. Sometimes, you have to give your opponent credit.
Had the Spurs have won, we wouldn't be reading like this. We'd be talking about how awesome D & G played and how even though, we're undermanned without the 3rd Big 3, the team is still finding a way to get done. But because of the loss...we're reduced to Pop Haters saying that Pop lost this game? I saw a very animated Pop fighting for his team, arguing for refs to give his team some credit, making his stand right to the line that, if crossed, you get T'd up. McDyess over Bonner? Hubie Brown explained it well enough. You don't get the spacing with Dice that you do with Bonner. Now, you might think that that's BS but truthfully, how many times did you see Ginobili get to the rim tonight? Much of that credit goes to the spacing created by 3 point threats. That extra 3 feet makes a world of difference. In that case, that means Pop is trading overall offensive efficiency for defense and interior rebounding, and if his stars would've gotten 2 more calls on heavily challenged(OK fouled) drives, we could be talking about a different outcome.

The spacing seemed just fine with mcdyess out there in the first quarter when they scored 33 pts.

[TDMVPDPOY]

pop in love with small ball and the 3pter...fck this

[Shastafarian]

So basically there are two camps.

1) Pop's rotations were terrible considering the Spurs were getting killed on the boards + Bogans should never ever play again

and

2) Pop is fine. The refs ed the Spurs tonight and everything is ok with playing these guys the minutes they are accruing.

[mexicanjunior]

Sorry, but Pop arguing with the refs doesn't give him a pass on a pathetic rotation pattern.

+1

I wouldn't give a if he coached from the locker room as long as it meant he would make proper decisions on the lineup. If you are getting killed on the glass, you put in a rebounder...if someone is lighting up your "centerpiece" you take him out and try something else...

Pop is doing his best to coach himself out of a job...simple as that.

[Muser]

See this is the kind of reactionary bs this board was called out for. The Spurs could've won this game. They had done a great job, despite the refs, of moving the ball to their 2 best players, and you have to give credit to Horford for making a huge defensive play on reading Ginobili's short lob to Duncan. Sometimes, you have to give your opponent credit.
Had the Spurs have won, we wouldn't be reading like this. We'd be talking about how awesome D & G played and how even though, we're undermanned without the 3rd Big 3, the team is still finding a way to get done. But because of the loss...we're reduced to Pop Haters saying that Pop lost this game? I saw a very animated Pop fighting for his team, arguing for refs to give his team some credit, making his stand right to the line that, if crossed, you get T'd up. McDyess over Bonner? Hubie Brown explained it well enough. You don't get the spacing with Dice that you do with Bonner. Now, you might think that that's BS but truthfully, how many times did you see Ginobili get to the rim tonight? Much of that credit goes to the spacing created by 3 point threats. That extra 3 feet makes a world of difference. In that case, that means Pop is trading overall offensive efficiency for defense and interior rebounding, and if his stars would've gotten 2 more calls on heavily challenged(OK fouled) drives, we could be talking about a different outcome.

Most of Manu's points came when he was switched onto Smith IIRC.

Also 20 offensive rebounds, I don't care if you spread the floor that's a damn disgrace.

[ploto]

The thing that so many people do not seem to realize is that Robert Horry was a good defender. He was so much more than just a guy to make 3's and spread the floor. He was in games for multiple reasons.

[Shastafarian]

See this is the kind of reactionary bs this board was called out for. The Spurs could've won this game. They had done a great job, despite the refs, of moving the ball to their 2 best players, and you have to give credit to Horford for making a huge defensive play on reading Ginobili's short lob to Duncan. Sometimes, you have to give your opponent credit.
Had the Spurs have won, we wouldn't be reading like this. We'd be talking about how awesome D & G played and how even though, we're undermanned without the 3rd Big 3, the team is still finding a way to get done. But because of the loss...we're reduced to Pop Haters saying that Pop lost this game? I saw a very animated Pop fighting for his team, arguing for refs to give his team some credit, making his stand right to the line that, if crossed, you get T'd up. McDyess over Bonner? Hubie Brown explained it well enough. You don't get the spacing with Dice that you do with Bonner. Now, you might think that that's BS but truthfully, how many times did you see Ginobili get to the rim tonight? Much of that credit goes to the spacing created by 3 point threats. That extra 3 feet makes a world of difference. In that case, that means Pop is trading overall offensive efficiency for defense and interior rebounding, and if his stars would've gotten 2 more calls on heavily challenged(OK fouled) drives, we could be talking about a different outcome.

Did you also catch Hubie say something to the effect of, "Now see, the Spurs are getting manhandled on the offensive glass tonight. That did not happen in the past." Did you catch that? I did.

[senorglory]

Live by the Manu, Die by the Manu. At least, that's how it broke tonight.

[Man In Black]

Bonner isn't Robert Horry. He was WIDE open on his last 3, and bricked it terribly. The Spurs gave up 20 offensive rebounds, and McDyess would've lowered that number greatly. The Spurs weren't getting stops when it mattered, and while McDyess ain't no Bowen, he sure as would've done better than Bonner.

Sorry, but Pop arguing with the refs doesn't give him a pass on a pathetic rotation pattern.

You are just making a straight up supposition. I agree, he missed a pressure packed shot in Atlanta's arena. We could make that supposition that McDyess gets more board. But at the same time, had Horford not made that stunning play....WOULD YOU BE ING ABOUT THE OFFENSE FOR DEFENSE ROTATION?
Suppose Ginobili's pass gets there like it had about 3 times before? Would you?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

The thing that so many people do not seem to realize is that Robert Horry was a good defender. He was so much more than just a guy to make 3's and spread the floor. He was in games for multiple reasons.

Exactly, if Bonner isn't hitting shots (and most of the time he isn't unless it's against lottery teams) he is completely useless. I'm not even mad at Bonner, I'm mad at Pop for playing so much Bonner. Bonner is trying out there, but he is barely 10 mpg material, let alone 30.

[Shastafarian]

The thing that so many people do not seem to realize is that Robert Horry was a good defender. He was so much more than just a guy to make 3's and spread the floor. He was in games for multiple reasons.

FALSE.

Matt Bonner is the same player as Robert Horry. Anyone who says differently is a coward and traitor and doesn't deserve to be a Spurs fan.

[SaTownFan]

The thing that so many people do not seem to realize is that Robert Horry was a good defender. He was so much more than just a guy to make 3's and spread the floor. He was in games for multiple reasons.

Completely agree.

[Shastafarian]

You are just making a straight up supposition. I agree, he missed a pressure packed shot in Atlanta's arena. We could make that supposition that McDyess gets more board. But at the same time, had Horford not made that stunning play....WOULD YOU BE ING ABOUT THE OFFENSE FOR DEFENSE ROTATION?
Suppose Ginobili's pass gets there like it had about 3 times before? Would you?

Yeah I would. Why? Because I would've still realized Bogans played 25 minutes.

[Baseline]

I agree that small ball killed us tonight. We had the lead in the last two minutes, so what we needed was defensive rebounding. Yet Pop played small ball with RJ at the 4, and Boguns in the game, which to me is always a bad idea.

With a 4-point lead and just over a minute left, our five on the floor were Tim, Manu, Hill, RJ, and Boguns. How exactly are we supposed to get a crucial rebound with that lineup - against the Hawks?

Dyess can hit that 18-footer in the clutch, so he needs to be in that game at crunchtime. Even though Dyess is old, he's the most athletic big we have who actually plays. Obviously Pop won't play Ian, so unfortunately I can't count him as a big.

Nice going, Pop.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

You are just making a straight up supposition. I agree, he missed a pressure packed shot in Atlanta's arena. We could make that supposition that McDyess gets more board. But at the same time, had Horford not made that stunning play....WOULD YOU BE ING ABOUT THE OFFENSE FOR DEFENSE ROTATION?
Suppose Ginobili's pass gets there like it had about 3 times before? Would you?

If the Spurs had own tonight, my thread le would've read "Too Much Bonner tonight". If McDyess had rebounded more, which he was on great pace to do so, the Hawks would've gotten like 10 less shots. In a game that went to OT, that is a huge difference.

The Hawks took 17 more shots than the Spurs.

[Man In Black]

Did you also catch Hubie say something to the effect of, "Now see, the Spurs are getting manhandled on the offensive glass tonight. That did not happen in the past." Did you catch that? I did.

Didn't hear that. That must have been during the time, I PIP'ed to the Health Care Vote.
This game could've gone Silver & Black. Putting Dyess in, doesn't ensure that it would have. It is what it is...let's get to the next episode.

[SaTownFan]

You are just making a straight up supposition. I agree, he missed a pressure packed shot in Atlanta's arena. We could make that supposition that McDyess gets more board. But at the same time, had Horford not made that stunning play....WOULD YOU BE ING ABOUT THE OFFENSE FOR DEFENSE ROTATION?
Suppose Ginobili's pass gets there like it had about 3 times before? Would you?

If McDyess had played more, Horford wouldnt have gotten so many offensive boards and the Hawks might not of come back.

[Shastafarian]

Didn't hear that. That must have been during the time, I PIP'ed to the Health Care Vote.
This game could've gone Silver & Black. Putting Dyess in, doesn't ensure that it would have. It is what it is...let's get to the next episode.

Obviously it wouldn't ensure a win. But it gives the team a better chance to win because McDyess can rebound better than Bonner. keep Bonner in and just take Bogans out. Something that gets Bogans off the floor.

[Brazil]

We can explain the Bonner minutes by spacing needs.

Now somebody explains to me why BOGANS played 25 minutes ? why ? Even in the french BB league (and god knows this league sucks) Bogan doesn't deserve 25 minutes.

[SenorSpur]

it's a disgrace that they're asking Duncan to be the sole defensive presence dow low.

That is a big part of the problem.

[benefactor]

Bonner did play too much, but a variety of things lost this game...namely the fact that this team is still not playing 48 minutes of basketball. It's starting to look like they never will.

[Shastafarian]

We can explain the Bonner minutes by spacing needs.

Now somebody explains to me why BOGANS played 25 minutes ? why ? Even in the french BB league (and god knows this league sucks) Bogan doesn't deserve 25 minutes.

Give this man a spur

[My Fault]

I only asked a simple question yet you felt the need to get insulted. A shame. I was asking because my follow up question is this: What did Bogans do to deserve 25 minutes of playing time?

I follow a question with a question and I'm insulted? This is a thread about Bonner and I was merely pointing out that after every lost no matter who was responsible its the same people blamed for no other reason other than its the thing to do. Bogans played bad yes but so did Hill. Don't get me wrong Hill is one of my favorite Spurs but he played bad. The starting PG has to play better for the team to thrive.

[Hemotivo]

The spacing seemed just fine with mcdyess out there in the first quarter when they scored 33 pts.