Those were typical shooting guards, even in the 90s. 90s SGs with the exception of Jordan were one dimensional scorers. That's what the typical SG was in the 90s. If not, tell me who were "typical" SGs in the 90s? Look at all of those 90s SGs, other than Jordan, who were better play-makers than Clyde?
Ron Harper actually was one of the few SGs in that era who was a pretty good play-maker himself. He's closer to Drexler than the "typical" 90s SG in terms of play-making. Since you're so adamant about it being in the 90s, let's look at their respective APG in the 90s:
Drexler/Harper APG
90-91: 6.0/5.4
91-92: 6.7/5.1
92-93: 5.7/4.5
93-94: 4.9/4.6
94:95: 4.8/2.0
95-96: 5.8/2.6
96-97: 5.7/2.5
97-98: 5.5/2.9
Similar? Ok, when Harper was still a main option, sure. Drexler was still better. And if you want to talk about 90s SGs, then you take into consideration Harper's assist numbers in Chicago as well. Drexler was a better play-maker throughout the 90s. And, Harper is the one example outside Jordan and Drexler you have as coming close to being a good play-maker for a SG. Not so typical if those are the only three SGs in the 90s who were good play-makers.
Aren't you one to argue one of the reasons LeBron is better than Kobe is because Kobe has more talent on his team? Now that it works against your favor, you flip that argument? Please. It's not Drexler's fault Pat Riley hasn't put enough talent around Wade. And it's not like Drexler had HOFers or even perennial all stars on those Portland teams. He had some good teammates but that's not the reason he was a good play-maker.
Please. They combined for 8.1 APG. Drexler was still averaging 5-6 APG with Terry Porter averaging 9-10 APG by himself. Even when J-Will and GP were the PGs on the Heat, Wade had the basketball in his hands the majority of the time and he intiated and facilitated the offense most of the time. Most good players who have the ball in their hands as much as Wade does are capable of having good assist totals. Clyde did it while still largely playing off the ball.
It really is a good thing I brought up Terry Porter. But it is not a good thing that you made this argument because it's predicated on a fallacy. The season Porter's APG fell to 5.2, it wasn't because Drexler was given the ball more to create. Or did you choose to ignore the fact that Rod Strickland averaged 7.2 APG that season and Adelman started playing Porter at the 2-guard as well? Please study your basketball history before making informed claims.
Favored similarly to the way Clyde's 6.1 RPG are to Wade's 4.9 RPG, yet you choose to call that pretty much a wash. You're talking out of both ends of your mouth. Stay consistent.
This is a laughable comment considering what you argue next in the following quote.
Drexler finished second in MVP voting in 1991-92. Your NBA history fails you. I've already acknowledged that Wade's peak in his career is greater than Drexler's. Your foundation to argue Wade is the better player "by a landslide" is shaky at best and predicated on inaccurate and misinformed notions of "facts."
This is why your comment about "what does size have to do with it" is laughable. Who is the better rebounder, Dwight Howard or Jason Kidd? Your logic says it's Dwight Howard by the tiniest and slightest edge because Dwight is bigger and taller. Well yeahhhh. No , Sherlock. That's why Drexler is the better rebounder than Wade. 6.1 RPG to 4.9 RPG. Works for your assist argument but you renounce it here. That's inconsistent stupidity, my friend.
So you'd say Kobe is still the better player than LeBron? Oh, of course not. You've been suggesting LeBron has been better than Kobe all season long. You continue to go against your own failed logic. Making it to the NBA Finals twice as the main option of a team is not what you intimated as "not much success."
But if you want to press this issue, type it for me. Post it for all of SpursTalk: "Kobe is better than LeBron." Do it or your aforementioned point is a dull instrument... pointless.
But as I just stated, YOU don't penalize LeBron for that. So why not?
James Worthy is not better than Charles Barkley or Karl Malone. Sorry. Tony Parker is not better than Jason Kidd or Chris Paul. It doesn't work that way. Whatever you want to think is fine. It's your opinion. But Cedric Maxwell or Chauncey Billups winning NBA Finals MVP in a le run does not erase the rest of their body of work when you evaluate them. Wade is well on his way to being one of the all time greats. But his career isn't finished. What if his career takes a turn like a Grant Hill or like a Cedric Maxwell and becomes average or mediocre for the rest of his NBA career? What then? You take that peak into consideration. But it's not the only factor in evaluating the greatness of a player.
As has been said on this messageboard before, I guess that makes Chris Paul automatically better than Magic Johnson ever was. I guess Greg Oden is a top 10 player in the league. Using advanced stats helps, but using them as the foundation of an argument when comparing is a negligent exercise in Hollingeresque stats logic.
Congratulations on Wade for that 2006 le run. It's the main reason why I do give Wade the edge over Drexler. You did read that right? I specifically said in my initial post I would give Wade the edge because of that. But again, it's not the only thing I look at. And it's foolish to do that.
You're doing a good job at showing how awesome Wade was. I basically responded to this above.
The Miami Heat were 10-41 that season with Wade in the line-up. That's on pace for a 16 win season regardless of Wade. Penalize him for his team sucking even when he did play.
Wade is great. I think he's in the top 3-4 player discussion right now already. I'm more curious at how low you regard Clyde Drexler. Clyde was a superstar in his own right. And since Wade is only about 7 seasons into his NBA career, at this moment, I think the two are very comparable players.
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and the Heat did'nt had one? How about two? Jason Williams and Gary Payton logged 60.5 minutes a game in 05-06. Both dished out a combined 8.1 APG, the same year Wade had a team high 6.7 APG.
