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If Dan could've of, he'd tell us all that Len Bias is better than Tim Duncan and that Reggie Lewis was almost as good.
That first comment proves that you're a Robinson fan more than a Spurs fan. He wasn't that player in '03, he was a role player, get over it.
No, what you're doing is attempting to minimize the impact and the greatness of Duncan during the '03 run, something I've seen you do on more than one occasion. This is all part of you being a Robinson fan, attempting to pass him off as a better player than Duncan all-time.
There is no evidence of this because it doesn't exist, unless you consider my user name. The genesis of that was I wanted to create an account, couldn't think of something original (granted I didn't exactly think long and hard about this), tried a few things (can't remember them now), they weren't available, then I typed in TD 21, it was available, so I took it.
What did I say? Duncan went up a level in '03, O'Neal went slightly down a level and the Spurs obviously had a better team surrounding Duncan than in '01 and '02, but if he didn't play at a historically great level, the Spurs don't win that series.
"Got his ass kicked into the dirt"? Yet another example of your immense hatred for Duncan. He's better than Robinson all-time, only a Robinson fan boy would think otherwise.
If Dan could've of, he'd tell us all that Len Bias is better than Tim Duncan and that Reggie Lewis was almost as good.
What a freaking moron! Not top ten I don't agree, but could see how someone could. However why does he suck off shaq a one way player who go away with murder to score those points. And was a liability late in games cause he could'nt make free throws. this idiot!
I would have Duncan top 5 with only Jordan's position set as the number 1 all time. Duncan did not have the all-star cast of players that surrounded Magic, Bird and Kareem.
Of course it can be debated who was better between Russel, Wilt and Duncan but they played in different eras. I will say that Duncan has been able to dominate powerful centers like Shaq and PF/Centers like Sheed and KG. Duncan was the best PF in the age of PFs that was the 2000s (Duncan, KG, Sheed, Dirk, Webber, Amare, Brandt, Gasol, J. Oneil, Martin, Dice (younger).
He showed he can play against any kind of center/PF. To me, I have no doubt his style of play could put him in any generation of NBA players and he would still be one of the best players.
Dunno. Subtraction was never my thing. But you know who was 33 in 1999 when the Spurs won their first le? That's right. David Robinson. So what hall of famer was in his prime when Duncan won his first Larry O'Brien?
Not based on his NBA career. If he gets in, it's all about his international play. Manu has had a fine NBA career but HOF level. Not even close..
A very good all star level player, not a great HOF either..and Parker will be boder line future HOF.
Major factor in the 99 le, but all he did in 2003 was be a great leader and still play some D and rebound. D-Rob was a s of his former self by that year. That's not me ragging on Robinson, that's just honesty..Robinson is already in in the HOF.
He's had some good role players, sure but do they match up to the role players the Celts and Lakers had in the Bird and Magic days? I don't think so. Duncan in 2003 had a D-Rob on his last legs in his last year. Young Tony Parker, up and down and at times a total mess. Manu, same thing, all over the map not dependable. Duncan was far and away the best player in the NBA then and he basically carried a young Spurs team that was not ready mentally to win it all, to a le. That 2003 le team basically over-achieved and won it all because of Tim Duncan..Not to mention all of the great role players Duncan has had throughout his career.
I have him ahead of Both Magic and Bird but below Kareem. Did Magic play D like Duncan? Did he rebound like Duncan? Don't tell me he was a far better scorer than Duncan (well maybe with the Ho's he was tapping in the steam room) but not on the court. Magic, great leader, great passer, very good scorer, had a million intangibles as a player, a little like Derek Jeter. He won one more le than Tim, playing on some all time great teams with legendary players.. Skill for skill, is he really a better basketball player than Duncan? I don't see how the argument can be made that he was..In fact, don't even mention Duncan along with Kareem, Magic and Bird.
So it's a popularity contest. I see. ESPN.com I think had a poll fans voted Lebron 2nd already as player of the decade not long ago. So i guess when he wins that 1st ring, they can leap-frog him ahead of Jordan right away..
By 2006 all those guys were playing at all star levels so sure we blamed them. Just like the Lakers blamed one of their big guys not named Magic or sometimes Magic, like in the 84 finals where Bird outplayed him. I don't see the point here..You can try to minimize the help that Duncan had all you want, but when you guys are playing poorly, or failed to repeat, the first players you blame is Manu and Parker.
Spurs did not unerachieve. Tim Spurs with different cores, won 4 les in 9 years. With that base core you are talking about they won 3 in 5 years. That is a of a run. OF course you need good supprting players around you, and Spurs had good teams, for some of those years they were great teams. But Tim never had a Kobe riding shot-gun in his prime, a Kareem still playing great, a James Worthy, a Robert Parish a Kevin Mchale and yet he won 4 les and 3 finals MVP's.To sum it up of how ridiculous Spurs fans are, name me one team that has had a core as good as Parker/Manu/Duncan in this era? No one is even close!!! The fact that they underachieved and failed to defend their le, and are currently underachieving right now is why you should never mention Duncan with Magic.
Agreed and just like you said earlier the '03 le by far was the most impressive because Duncan won with a team that had no all-stars that year. Drob was way past his prime, Ginobilli was still raw, Parker was too inconsistent, Jax was either hot or cold. I can't recall a superstar player being able to win a le without having another all-star on his team except for Olaujuwon in '94. Also like you said Tim never played with an hall of fame player for 3 out of 4 of his les. Drob after '99 was no longer playing on an HOF level he was just very solid at that point of time. If you look at the guys Shaq and MJ won with in their prime and you could see they had superior talent. Shaq had Kobe, MJ had Pippen and its easy to see Pippen-Kobe>Parker,Ginobilli.
I think the only other player who is on the verge of accomplishing what Tim did in '03 in winning without an all-star supporting caste is Lebron James. If James wins the le this year with the Cavs it will be up there with Tim's '03 le.
Both Magic and Bird can claim to have those years and did not win
Best team does not always punch it in..
If Tim was drafted by the Celts and had the same career success, I'd bet Dan would have him above Bird, Cousy, and the rest of the Celtics.
He would have for sure..
03/04 lakers team hahahahhahaa fail
Borrowed this from the other thread on this topic
TD For The Win...
"This is a point that's easy to overlook. It's a short list of players who were clearly the best player on four championships teams. That list would include:
1. Bill Russell, 10
2. Michael Jordan, 6
3. George Mikan, 5
4. Tim Duncan, 4
5. Magic Johnson, 4"
Missed the pointSo Mikan should be top 3 in the top 10 list.
Try again
Kareem is better than TD we agree there
I've made mine already very clear..
I think I lost 5 IQ points reading this crap!
Who's Lakers???????
And Bird won 3 les in a similiar span and then his back went to . Timmy's knees are starting to fail him. But you have Bird ahead of Tim..
How ironic.
It is really sad, really. lakaluva comes into the Spurs forum, and calls me his little nutsack. Goes around to call other people stupid, when he himself has less than 5 IQ points. It is really pathetic.
If you say so... Also 7 short years? He won in 99 and then in 07 his last (So far), so wouldn't that be 8 years? Get your math right there.
You seem to be hating on Timmay pretty much in your posts, he is a top 10 player of all times, the best PF ever, why the hate for him?
The man that did the heavy lifting during's Kobe's Lakers 3 peat..
8 years of dominance is a short while? In what world? Malone can think what he wants, but he never got a le nor a finals MVP for that matter. His stats? Yes Wilkins stats prove he is an all time great too, what else does?
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