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Agree on most of your points. If Gist is good enough to finally crack the roster, he'll give provide skills needed as the stretch 4 that Pop has tried so desparately to fill with lesser-qualified players.
The SF position really should be THE position of need that is filled via the NBA draft. Personally, I believe they should be able to get a good SF (Paul George - Fresno State, perhaps), who can run behind RJ next year, then assume the mantle in his sop re season.
At this point, I don't think any of us can bank on either Splitter or Manu for next year. Again, if Manu bolts, for whatever reason, the rebuilding WILL clearly be underway.
Duncan is being asked to anchor the defense and score an All-Star level day in, day out. He's been carrying the team whole season long and you're still complaining? He'l be fine
I like Paul George alot and think he would be a good fit for us since we are going to have to replace RJ in a year. If we can pick him up and if we can bring over Splitter then things start looking alot better from my view point.
If we don't pick up Splitter then we have to get an athletic shot blocker/rebounder who can help Timmy on defense. I hate it when Timmy goes to the bench and then we move Bonner to center!
We still have Gist and Nando the French kidd who could come in and maybe help out our bench. Either way we need to find replacments for Mason and Finley. I am not sold on Harriston yet........
We have TD under contract until 2012, and quite frankly I think we keep him and rebuild. I don't think we have to trade him. If the franchise went to him and explained that it's time to go with youth and they want him to mentor the youngsters, which may help to speed up the development, I actually think he's the kind of guy who might be cool with that.
I agree. I simply can't see Tim wanting out, depsite whatever direction the Spurs FO decide to go in.
Keep in mind that the seemingly inevitable lockout is looming in '11, so really we're talking about one more year most likely, not two (at least full years). What's wrong with trying one more time (in a league that doesn't have a great team)? Plenty of time to re-build after that. You know what the point of re-building is? To get back -- and hopefully exceed -- the Spurs current level, but if they're already at it, why wouldn't you try to win? It's unlikely, but it's not completely out of the question that with a couple of shrewd moves (of course health permitting) that this team is back in contention next season.
They owe this to Duncan, I don't care what anyone says. This guy gave back $11 million over 2 years so that they'd add pieces, not re-build. How can they justify doing this to a player who's meant so much to the franchise? If he had another three years and there was no lockout looming, I get it, but we're talking about one year.
wtf is he going to mentor? we currently have no big that can fill his shoes or be the face of this franchise in the future, mahinmi no...splitter could be a possibility but everyday it seems like his getting away from our hands...
im down for a trade where we can get a big return to build around...
When was the last time those "three top-5 players at their respective positions" have played healthy together? The 2007-08 season?
Look at Tim's numbers. He has scored 20 points exactly two times in the last 16 games. People made a big deal about his second-half decline last season. This year is much worse. And that's without some publicized injury like tendonosis. Tony carried the team last year at this time, Manu is doing it this year.
I'm not suggesting anybody be let go or traded. But the health of these guys will always be suspect. In Tim's case he just doesn't have the mileage left to be a 20-10 player all season. That's no knock on him, everybody ages. It's extremely unlikely these three win a le together again, which is why people are throwing out the idea of trades.
I think the spurs should take a day or two watching reruns of their championship years, paying particular attention to their impeccable hustle on the defensive end. The rotations were so god damned crisp and quick back then with every player expending large amounts of energy hounding whoever they were guarding.
Honestly these days the only player who seems to give a about playing lockdown defense is ginobili. I dare say ginobili is actually a better defender than keith "can't shoot a 3" bogans.
If bogans is going to be a useless sack of meat out there on the offensive end, he better be willing to hustle his ass off and get a load better at lateral movement come playoff time. where the is bruce when you need him..seriously.
I don't have any problems with them keeping Duncan. He has earned the right to have the final say in what happens in these last years his career. I just worry about how he will feel about continuing to play if he can't perform at a high level any longer...especially if the FO decides to cut thier losses and head into rebuilding mode.
Even though I don't agree with it, I think that the Spurs will do what most people here think they will do...re-sign Manu, bring over Splitter, draft someone who they think can help in the first round and go once more unto the breach. I guess if they don't succeed they still have what Whisky Dog mentioned...which is a couple of big expiring deals that they can use for prospects and future draft picks.
Duncan is going anywhere, he doesn't want to, Spurs don't want him to go anywhere, why would another team take on his contract with only 2 yrs left max. It's not like we are talking Duncan of 2005.
I still say we need to re-sign Manu, let Mason walk and trade TP. Trade TP for a legit NBA proven big man, somebody that has a low post game that is not 30 yet. Even if we need to include Blair, I love Blair he's got an excellent future, but he's a bit undersized, but if it brings another 7 footer that can help TD, I'll be for it. Lakers will be tough to beat with their size and F'kn Kobe.
So who's expiring this offseason? Ginobili, Mason, Bonner, Mahinmi, and Bogans? Then of course, Fin's salary comes off the books.
Ginobili is (hopefully) the only one of those guys that gets resigned, which will put the team right back into the luxury tax if Jefferson is still around. Then we'd still need one more big and a wing to have a ten-man rotation. Question is, how much more money is Holt willing to spend to chase this last le?
Duncan is not done. He actually looked pretty springy and agressive in that first half. Dude is tired. He carried this team the first half of the season when Tony and Manu were not contributing at a high level and the rest of the team was either new to the system or just playing horribly. This is just another reactionary thread started by another doomsday defeatist with nothing positive or constructive to say. I am going to choose to believe that this team is the one that just beat the Cavs and the Celtics and I am not going to let a disappointing loss to the Nets make me give up on my team.
benefactor is looking like an attention whoring idiot, this is the busiest part of the Spurs schedule and Duncan still looks good defensively and rebounding wise. No amount of resting would've made an old and high mileage big not feel fatigue under these cir stances. The rest earlier in the season was to prevent injury which seems to be working.
I wonder if Timmy is focused on his legacy like Shaq is in regards to les. If Kobe ends up with more rings than him, it's one thing (dif. positions, dif. comparisons). Shaq and Duncan are from the same era, and if the Cavs win a ring this season, I think it'll be that much more important to Timmy to hold off on rebuilding...
I actually like realist over attenion whoring idiot, but whatever makes your hair blow back.
Does your reality acknowledge that this has been one of the busiest and most demanding schedules the Spurs and Duncan have seen in their career? Duncan has been underpar offensively but just about everything else he's still pretty good. He said he's feeling fine, he's just tired from the usual wear and tear from the NBA season.
"Is there really any point in trying to reload this summer" = attention whoring troll bait
It's 82 games...just like last year and every year before that. Did I mention his minutes have been the least he has played in his entire career?
Go count the double/double's in January and February. Now count the double/double's in March(Hint: Scoring is not where the double digits are missing).Duncan has been underpar offensively but just about everything else he's still pretty good. He said he's feeling fine, he's just tired from the usual wear and tear from the NBA season.
No, it's an opinion. It's one that says you can blow sunshine up your own ass and everyone else around you all you want, but don't come back here with an emofest when it all comes crashing down."Is there really any point in trying to reload this summer" = attention whoring troll bait
Are you just being stupid to make your poor argument look stronger? Look at how many games the Spurs have been playing recently, the strength of those teams, and the amount of back to backs. Show me a stretch in any season that is as or more difficult than the one the Spurs have faced and still are.
Its dumbass trolling to suggest that the Spurs should buyout Duncan or to say that he's done to the point where the Spurs should just lay over and give up entirely. And yea that is an "opinion" I suppose.No, it's an opinion.
This thread = emofest. From the OP: "What the point in trying again?" God damn thats some loser bull .It's one that says you can blow sunshine up your own ass and everyone else around you all you want, but don't come back here with an emofest when it all comes crashing down.
Go back to the beginning of the month and look at the game through the 17th. There is only one back to back. Now tell me how many double digit rebounding games he had in that stretch.
All in all it just a cop out. The fact remains that he has played less minutes and is still showing signs of running out of gas late in the season.
There is a time when giving up and starting over is necessary. Teams that don't look like Utah did in the early 2000's...and that's where the Spurs are headed. I'm not suggesting anything that hasn't been done many times in NBA history.Its dumbass trolling to suggest that the Spurs should buyout Duncan or to say that he's done to the point where the Spurs should just lay over and give up entirely. And yea that is an "opinion" I suppose.
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