And Lakerfan knows this because?funny guy
I would argue that Bonner can improve on his 2009 playoff outing, Manu... perhaps not
define "suckitude". because if you mean depressingly realistic and objective, then I'd have to agree with you, though I still don't see how being a Laker fan would have changed that, seems to me that they're still completely depressingly realistic and objective with me being a Spurs fan...
I'm happy Manu got his extension, hopefully this means that the FO will continue to push for another championship. And, solid big men will still be available for the MLE in Jermaine O'Neal, Brandon Haywood and Marcus Camby. Although, I'd prefer bringing in Splitter since he has (potentially) more upside then those three.
Manu is going to be with the Spurs 3 more years... that's realistic and objective... If it depresses you so much, you can go cry to your boy Kobe...
at teh end of the day we outbidded ourselves
some will say this is a loyalty contract, but if we can get 2 good years out of that then im fine, if not trade his ass
sorry, I didn't see any little South American Flag beneath your name, I was unaware that you were of the "all Glory to Manu, F*** the Spurs" crowd
I'm happy for the Spurs. I think they're paying market value for proven top talent.
sorry, I didn't see any little South American Flag beneath your name, I was unaware that you were of the "all Glory to Manu, F*** the Spurs" crowd
Ultimately, the only one that's unhappy with the Spurs is you, not me.
Again, if we have to go with your record of predictions about Manu, it's safe to say the Spurs will be fine.
dude thats not market value, all the spurs did was outbid themselves...sure some team wouldve thrown the cashbook at him...but not 13m a season, thats a bit overpayin considering he was on 8m a season....I'm happy for the Spurs. I think they're paying market value for proven top talent.
Ultimately, the only one that's unhappy with the Spurs is you, not me.
Again, if we have to go with your record of predictions about Manu, it's safe to say the Spurs will be fine.
he is making nearly 11/mil this season... no idea where you got 8 from...
He's making $10m/season now. The Spurs could have had him for 8/9 earlier in the season if they wanted to. They can only blame themselves for the higher price tag now. The way Manu has been playing it's really a no-brainer, and I have little doubt he could have fetched as much in the offseason.
Furthermore, as explained by other posters, there's more to it than mere basketball. Holt knows, considering he ordered the deal to get done.
that's because you, and many others are yet delusional about the future, we'll revisit this thread in a couple years and see if you are still as happy
Oh Really?Again, if we have to go with your record of predictions about Manu, it's safe to say the Spurs will be fine.you mean the one in 2008 where I said we can not win another championship with Manu? or some other one?
granted, this year appears to be the Spurs' best bet to prove me wrong, but already Manu appears to be proving me right once again with his performance against playoff team Phoenix.
I would like nothing better than to be proven wrong this year, but reality is reality... it's going to take heroic efforts from the likes of Jefferson, Bonner, Hill, Perhaps even Mason and Bogans to get a le this year. and after this year... with old useless Manu taking up 20+% of the payroll, it will be beyond impossible.
you can accept it now, and realize the failure of the FO, or you can make excuses later...
I personally am not the type to make excuses, and apologize for the actions of the FO, but to each his own...
I wanna borrow Manu's ski mask for halloween this year.
Again, if your argument is that your crystal ball is better than my crystal ball, then you have no argument at all. Feel free to feel depressed all you want.that's because you, and many others are yet delusional about the future, we'll revisit this thread in a couple years and see if you are still as happy
Yes, really.Oh Really?
Too many to list. Almost every post on past 'trade Manu' threads, where your crystal ball kept telling you he wouldn't play at a high level again.
You were obviously wrong, you're just not man enough to admit it.
You were giving Manu props 2 games ago. You need to pick a lane and stick with it. Again, admitting when you're wrong is the first step.
There is no such thing as a no-trade clause on Manu's contract. So your premise is, at the very least, flawed. But feel free to cry yourself to sleep if that's your thing.
Me neither. This is a fair contract for top talent, and you haven't proved otherwise. There's nothing to excuse or apologize for.
Lol yes, he has been proving you wrong for the last 2 months.that's because you, and many others are yet delusional about the future, we'll revisit this thread in a couple years and see if you are still as happy
Oh Really?
granted, this year appears to be the Spurs' best bet to prove me wrong, but already Manu appears to be proving me right once again with his performance against playoff team Phoenix.
I would like nothing better than to be proven wrong this year, but reality is reality... it's going to take heroic efforts from the likes of Jefferson, Bonner, Hill, Perhaps even Mason and Bogans to get a le this year. and after this year... with old useless Manu taking up 20+% of the payroll, it will be beyond impossible.
you can accept it now, and realize the failure of the FO, or you can make excuses later...
I personally am not the type to make excuses, and apologize for the actions of the FO, but to each his own...
Give the guy a break, he is on the verge of signing the most important contract in his life, and you want him focused tonight. That wouldnīt be possible. Watch how Kobe played against us and how he was a fluke the week he has been renegotiating his contract. You are talking about humans, not machines, they are affected by emotions.
Plus, Manuīs sidekick on his backcourt has been injuried and now has to readapt himself to other 2 PG who are not great at passing the ball or shooting 3īs that is what complement Manu at the best.
I donīt care if we sign him at 3 years 40 millions or 3 years 30 millions, the important thing is to have it done ASAP so that he can focus on playing and nothing else. 3 more millions of cap space means nothing and no one here pay the luxury tax, thatīs on Holt. So if he want to pay it, let him do it.
without him we dont have a sg, and only mle to spend...
who knows his contract could be a disguised to land bosh lol
Watching Rascal, Ducks and Vander writhe in pain and getting owned is almost as enjoyable as the news. Well done.
vander is the Laker fan whottt version of the board...
Dude, that's a bargain. A home town discount. Manu could have made more from some other team. And, going one better, he could have made more from the Spurs.
He could have had the best of both worlds. But Manu doesn't want what most of us would. He's an inscrutable warrior. The exception to every rule.
There are some here that don't like the signing because Manu will be old and (may be) overpaid at the end of the contract. My thoughts.
1.) That may be the case, but signing Manu gives us a chance to win next year, and the removal of a huge distraction that can only help our chances to win this year. The fact is the FO has given us at least 2 years more of contending as well as locking up one of those special players you hope spends his whole career as a Spur. With only the MLE next year (which we plan to use on Splitter) we'd be tough pressed to get a quality shooting guard.
2.) There is a decent chance (not high, but realistic) that Manu may still be plenty dangerous at 36. Steve Nash is, Jordan was. Kareem (yea, differnt position I know) won a Finals MVP at 35. He may crash and burn or may age well. We'll see. I appreciate the FO taking the gamble.
3.) Manu is the team leader. Tim is too, but he leads by example. Manu gets in people's face. Blair, Hill and Richard Jefferson are all followers of Manu. To not have him next year hurts those players' production as well.
4.) Timmy may extend for a year or two (depending on health) if the Big 3 is still in fine form.
5.) In the end, if you don't root for the players who have been here a long time, who have helped you win championships, then they are just gladiators. And really, what's the point then of rooting at all?
6.) If the Spurs are still contenders (as many of us feel) then this is the right move. If we are not contenders then I am still happy to see Manu stay a Spur for his career. Cheers for Holt opening his wallet again.
Also, some so-called Spurs fans are essentially taking the field against the Spurs. In effect, if we don't win a championship they can say "See, I was right." But the truth is only one team can win it, so these cynics have the odds in their favor. I'm for the FO taking a swing....
Some (many?) may disagree but those are my feelings.
Last edited by BillMc; 04-08-2010 at 09:33 AM.
Solid points BillMc, just to chime in :
1. Spurs may or may not be contenders next year with Manu, but we're most definitely NOT a contender if we let him walk and only have the MLE to spend. Sign and trade ( for a good/star player ) is fantasy land.
2. He is a very good shooter, has very high BBIQ and can pass the ball and is a natural leader - there's a lot her can offer even after slowing down a bit. Besides, for all we know, his last year could only be partially guaranteed.
3. Totally agree, he makes his teammates better.
4. Hopefully health will allow Duncan to play beyond 2012, I'd lvoe to see the big 3 play together for as long as possible.
5. Very true, obviously a team needs both - solid players whenever you can get them, but also a core, that is the iden y of the team.
6. Me too, not popular opinion, I know, but I'd rather watch the Spurs wither away with the big 3 and let them retire as Spurs players, than trade everyone away in a desperate ( and most likely futile ) way to have another le run.
I'm glad we agree. Some very sold points, too. Well done.
my man....you speak sense!
Havlicek was. And Manu's game reminds me more of Havlicek than any other player.
Great post, nothing more to add.
Guess there was more to add. Nice job.
The spurs are paying him the maximum they can pay him.
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