Rick Carlisle's Teams Known For Not Fouling?

[GSH]

I love how people and whine about the # of fouls/disparities but never point out where bad calls actually happened.

Well you very much.
I love how some people automatically say the Spurs lost solely because they played badly. Maybe you just drank the local Kool-Aid?

Lets look at the Spurs "bad game":
They owned the paint 50-34. (That usually gets you more FT's than the other team, too.)
They had more fast break points than the Mavs. (16-11)
They had more FG attempts than the Mavs. (78-74)
They shot a higher percentage from the floor than the Mavs. (50% - 47%)
They shot a higher percentage from the FT line than the Mavs. (86% - 74%)

What the do you want? Do they need to get 10 more FGA's than the Mavs? Shoot 60% from the floor? Hold the Mavs to 40% from the floor? I got news for you - the Mavs are too good of a team for any of those things to happen. More FGA's and a higher shooting percentage usually wins the game. The only way the other team can win is to make a bunch of 3-pointers, or to get a bunch of help from the zebras. And the Mavs didnt' hit a bunch of 3-pointers.


"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son." - Dean Wormer, Animal House



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[elbamba]

I love how people and whine about the # of fouls/disparities but never point out where bad calls actually happened.

I think that it has been pointed out that it seems odd that a fad away jump shooter gets so many calls on his jump shots. I saw at least 3-4 calls that I felt were BS. I saw Duncan have his jersey grabbed on a post play where he left ED scratching checking for his jock. There was plenty of contact that could have been called. They swallowed their whistles under the basket.

They did the same thing for Dallas. The Mavs did not get a lot of calls in the lane. however, the Spurs spent more time there so it makes sense that we would have a beef with the officiating.

It still comes down to stupid tournovers. Catch the ball and we can laugh at how we won despite the refs giving the Mavs an extra 20 free throws.

[TJastal]

I think that it has been pointed out that it seems odd that a fad away jump shooter gets so many calls on his jump shots. I saw at least 3-4 calls that I felt were BS. I saw Duncan have his jersey grabbed on a post play where he left ED scratching checking for his jock. There was plenty of contact that could have been called. They swallowed their whistles under the basket.

They did the same thing for Dallas. The Mavs did not get a lot of calls in the lane. however, the Spurs spent more time there so it makes sense that we would have a beef with the officiating.

It still comes down to stupid tournovers. Catch the ball and we can laugh at how we won despite the refs giving the Mavs an extra 20 free throws.

Dirk didn't settle for fadeaways though. Maybe his first two shots were fadeaways and after that he was taking it right at the chest of the defenders and initiating contact. He did this and drew multiple fouls on Bonner, Mason, and Bogans. I don't agree with it, but that's how the Lebrons', Kobes', Carmelos' all get to the line these days so who can blame him?

And who's fault is it that one of the most foul prone players in the league (Matt Bonner) is out there trying to guard a superstar? We've seen over and over again this year that he's got a big ol' bullseye on his back when it comes to the refs. I could have predicted this was gonna happen.

I also could point out bad calls that went against Dallas. Dirk getting called for a phantom travel in the 1st half, Blair taking a charge where his feet were touching the line.

[elbamba]

Dirk didn't settle for fadeaways though. Maybe his first two shots were fadeaways and after that he was taking it right at the chest of the defenders and initiating contact. He did this and drew multiple fouls on Bonner, Mason, and Bogans. I don't agree with it, but that's how the Lebrons', Kobes', Carmelos' all get to the line these days so who can blame him?

And who's fault is it that one of the most foul prone players in the league (Matt Bonner) is out there trying to guard a superstar? We've seen over and over again this year that he's got a big ol' bullseye on his back when it comes to the refs. I could have predicted this was gonna happen.

I also could point out bad calls that went against Dallas. Dirk getting called for a phantom travel in the 1st half, Blair taking a charge where his feet were touching the line.

I already noted that Dallas received some bad calls. Its obvious that we saw the game differently. I would have labled about 6-7 shots as fadaways. Not that it really matters. Spurs lost because of turnovers.

[Brodels]

People can say what they want about tonight's game, but the difference was the whistles.

You're right. The Spurs lost because of some vast consiracy or at the very least because the refs have some kind of love affair with Dirk. It makes me feel better knowing that Bonner playing meaningful minutes, the team turning the ball over way too much, and Hill and Jefferson being useless really didn't have an impact on the outcome.

If the Spurs continue to bring what they brought to game one, it won't matter what the refs do. The series will be over in four.

The Spurs are probably going to lose more games in this series. Better get some more excuses ready.

[jack0fspeed]

The total FTA disparity was 20 and you guys gave Dampier 12.

So a FTA disparity of 8 is nothing to get upset about. To my eyes, the Mavs were the more aggressive team.

[GSH]

Here's a little Spurs trivia question for you:


When one team takes more shots (FGA's) AND shoots a higher percentage, it's hard to lose the game. It's a math thing.

Q. How long has it been since the Spurs lost a game where they took more FGA's and shot a higher FG%, and what team were they playing?

You're right. The Spurs lost because of some vast consiracy ....

Sorry, but talk about conspiracy theories belongs in the political forum. But please feel free to try our trivia question.

[DarrinS]

Most of his shots last night were not fadeaways, although he had a few in the 1st half. Most everything in the 2nd half he penetrated straight into the defender's chest, drew contact and then simply shot over the man. He did it to Bonner, Mason, Bogans just to name a few.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/gamecen...;shotchartlink

[fmedrano1977]

The total FTA disparity was 20 and you guys gave Dampier 12.

So a FTA disparity of 8 is nothing to get upset about. To my eyes, the Mavs were the more aggressive team.

Man the only aggressive Mav last night was Caron. C'mon, you can't say you watched this game and not see the refs keep the Spurs in check on the defensive end. Despite that, if the Spurs learn how to take car of the in ball and get Duncan some in recievers gloves or some , Spurs would be alright. I thought Nazr was back with the Spurs. As for Nowitzki, yeah he got some love from the refs but the refs didn't make those shots for him. Yeah he chokes every now and then but you can not watch this guy play and say he sucks. Dude can ball!!!

[TJastal]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/gamecen...;shotchartlink

Cool, a shot chart. Showing exactly where Nowitzki drew contact for each shot.

[GSH]

Here's a little Spurs trivia question for you:


When one team takes more shots (FGA's) AND shoots a higher percentage, it's hard to lose the game. It's a math thing.

Q. How long has it been since the Spurs lost a game where they took more FGA's and shot a higher FG%, and what team were they playing?

A. It was 355 days ago. In last year's playoffs. Against the Mavs.


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[Obstructed_View]

When Mavs fans complain about free throw shooting disparities, it is justified and prinicipled concern for the abysmal state of NBA officiating and clear proof of biases among the officials.

When Spurs fans talk about a free throw shooting disparity, it's whining.

I think NBA refs are tired of having Mark Cuban sending 50 videos to the league office after every Mavs loss requiring them to come in on their days off to justify the calls.

[ZB 512]

First of all, pinhead, I'm one of the people who consistently say that the Mavs got jobbed in the Finals that same year. I don't remember a single one of you Mav trolls thinking it was whining when it happened to you.

anyone who would compare Dirk shooting 12 free throws in a first round series game to the joke of a one sided rigged series that was the 06 finals, where DWade set the all time record for FTAs in a finals series (a record that will never be broken), including a go ahead phantom bail out whistle with 1.8 seconds left to win game 5 and essentially the series, is clueless and not worth my time debating

[ZB 512]

Everyone's talking about what a great game Dirk had, but Tim scored the same amount of field goals. The BIG difference is, Dirk was 12-12 from the stripe. Dirk did have an extremely efficient game (12 of 14 vs Tim's 12 of 20) and he did drive to the rim on a couple of occasions, but most of his shots were 15-20 foot fadeaways with the typical cattle-prod-up-my-ass reaction after the shot.

most of them were 20 foot? Did you even watch the game? Did you not see Spurs players trying to deny Dirk the catch in the high post?

Some of you act like you havent watched Dirk play as much as you have. A great many of Dirk's shots are a result of isolating at the high post, elbow and free throw line, with 76785786578695 pump fakes and some dribble drives. Such isolations are obviously conducive to drawing fouls (especially against over matched, compensating defenders) and I dont know why many of you act like they arent. I thought Spurs fans watched a lot of basketball. Watching last night's game, all but maybe one of the fouls called against Dirk were clearly legit.

[crc21209]

when mavs fans complain about free throw shooting disparities, it is justified and prinicipled concern for the abysmal state of nba officiating and clear proof of biases among the officials.

When spurs fans talk about a free throw shooting disparity, it's whining.

+1000000000000000000000000000000

[ZB 512]

I guess the Spurs are "en led" to always have the free throw advantage. I can see why Spurs fans would think that considering San Antonio usually has had the advantage over the years

It's quite hilarious how some of you freak out any time a team has a significant advantage in a game or shoots more free throws than you. , it seems a team doesnt even have to have the advantage for a freak out to occur. It just has to be close looking at some Spurs fans complaining about the Mavs-Spurs series in '06 even though the Spurs shot more free throws than the Mavs in that series.

Anyway, I know the Spurs arent used to it, but join the club. It happens sometimes. (but Spurs nation just a little advice, dont compare this to the 06 finals, because that is a COMPLETELY different level and will only make you look like an idiot to Mavs fans that watched every possession of that joke of a series)

[Obstructed_View]

Anyway, I know the Spurs arent used to it, but join the club. It happens sometimes. (but Spurs nation just a little advice, dont compare this to the 06 finals, because that is a COMPLETELY different level and will only make you look like an idiot to Mavs fans that watched every possession of that joke of a series)

Gotta love Mavfan. It's only a bad call if it goes against Dallas.

[ZB 512]

Gotta love Mavfan. It's only a bad call if it goes against Dallas.

Im curious. How many of the shooting fouls on Dirk would you say were bad calls?

[Obstructed_View]

Im curious. How many of the shooting fouls on Dirk would you say were bad calls?

The fouls committed by the Spurs were of course fouls, and the fouls that Dirk was whistled for (if any) were of course not fouls. Just like when Spurs fans complain about the preferential treatment Dirk got in 06 it's just whining, and when Mavs fans complain about the preferential treatment Wade got it's completely legitimate and a sign that David Stern hates Mark Cuban.

[ZB 512]

The fouls committed by the Spurs were of course fouls, and the fouls that Dirk was whistled for (if any) were of course not fouls. Just like when Spurs fans complain about the preferential treatment Dirk got in 06 it's just whining, and when Mavs fans complain about the preferential treatment Wade got it's completely legitimate and a sign that David Stern hates Mark Cuban.

Keep arguing with that strawman but im not interested in that

Im asking you which of the 6 shooting fouls called on Dirk defenders last night were "bogus"? Give examples