Kendrick Perkins has a higher career TS% than Hakeem Olajuwon. That obviously means he's a more efficient scorer.
Oh look its a french Parker...I mean Spurs fan. The argument had nothing to do with Dirk>Manu or Manu>Dirk this just proves that you french guys are first and foremost Parker fans. You came into this thread to spew this on an argument that aside from not having anything to do with the Dirk>Manu is also legit beef for Spurs fans, and it is something most Spurs fans agree with. Yet why did you come in here and take a shot at a fellow Spurs fan? Obviously because I feel Hill is ready to take over as a starter and that we should use Parker as a trade chip to get Timmy some frontcourt help. I wouldnt put it past you frenchies to actually be rooting against the Spurs just to prove that they cant win without Tony as the starter.
Son explain to me this, than maybe your argument would hold some truth...how your German vagina gets so many FTs off of a move where he's away from the basket, where's he himself bumps into the defender to create space, than ends up fading away from the defender and from contact? MJ himself never got these calls on his fadeaway. Yet you gots have the audacity to cry about refs and how thats the reason your girls in blue choked.
lolol
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So, i take a break to watch Barca-Inter and I come back to this. DAF has changed the topic to his favourite Manu>Dirk topic, which is absurd and getting his ass kicked by any kind of statistic, even the "clutch" stats in which Dirk was 2nd best behind LeBron this year. Take Manu's best stat years or moments and Dirk has plenty better. Again, this is a 9 time All Star, 10 time All NBA team, compared to a guy who made one single All Star. That's a massive gap. There's hardly anything you can do to cover it.1.For the ing guy asking for evidence, like I said look at the last shot of the first half of Game 1. Mason has his hands straight up, bodying him up, Dirk initiates contact by bumping into him and than goes flailing back like a little girl resulting in an and1 with minimal contact. And again this is the norm for Dirk when he shoots that fadeaway, to go flying like a little girl and its also the norm for him to receive 6-8 FTAs per game off of it. Mavettefan's argument is mainly that theres some body contact (that is normally initiated by Dirk bumping into the player than fading away btw), but this is the ing playoffs. If youre going to call those ticky tack pussy fouls than call them when Damp or Haywood body up on Timmy as well.
2.Manu vs Dirk...is alot closer than you gots make it seem. Ive already schooled a couple of you Mavettefans and that Mav rider DoK in a previous argument regarding this. But the main points--you cant fault Manu for being second fiddle to the greatest PF of all-time that ridiculous. You also cant fault him for not having godly stats when he has that same greatest PF of all-time+a great scoring PG taking touches away from him, not to mention being designated a 6th man role for the betterment of the team. Truth is everytime this guy has been given big minutes and given the responsibility as the main playmaker, he has put up all-league numbers and the Spurs have been fairly sucessful. Dont overlook the Olympics either gots, he led a team to gold that had some NBA players on it but it certainly wasnt the most talented team in that compe ion. When he's been the #1 guy he's excelled every single time and has shown nothing to suggest that he would fail in the NBA as a #1 like you Mavette gots claim. KG, Malone, Barkley > Dirk btw.
3. For those of you y ass gots that are already proclaiming a series victory...coughbadpussy22cough. Dont fool yourself dumbass your team had a 20 FTA disparity, our best PG in George Hill was ineffective because of the ankle injury involving that dumbass cameraman (where is Rodman to kick that when you need him), and your German vagin along with being gift wrapped some FTs was shooting at the Pacific Ocean. Yet you won by 6 points, now Im not into moral victories but Game 1 did nothing to show that the Spurs cant hang with these girls in blue. Spurs will rape that ass in Game 2 and take care of bis at home.
I've yet to see some evidence on the topic.
FkLA, at least your are pointing to a clear event, unlike the others. Now, please go back to the game thread and you'll see many Spurs fans admitting it's a foul. Mason is using his body to push, especially when Dirk gets up for the shot, which is a foul by the book. His hands are not straight up, they are in Dirk's "airspace", hanging over his head. Again, that is a foul by the book. If you have a problem with that, you have a problem with how the game is called, not with Dirk. If you don't like that call than maybe start a movement to change the rules of basketball.
Olajuwon is the better scorer and better overall player by far but Kendrick scores the ball at a more efficient rate than Olajuwon.
Also comparing Perkins to Olajuwon isn't the same as comparing Dirk to Manu.
Some of your fellow spur fans seem to understand this, yet your dumbass doesn't seem able to.
Since they both play the same position isn't it a better comparison?
Just saying.
If Manu is better than dirk than the Spurs will have no problems winning this series.
How often does the team with the two best players on the court lose a series? Not often. Only recent example I can think of is 2004 Finals.
This is the ing playoffs man...hand checks according to the rulebook would result in fouls yet Im sure if the Mavs were whistled for a foul everytime someone put a hand on Manu that wouldnt fly too well with you guys. The Mason play had some body contact sure, but man if plays like that are called fouls we'd have 4 hour long games. Mainly though its the lack of consistancy...you cant even put your body on Dirk, yet in comparison the Mavs are allowed to get physical with Timmy down in the paint? Why? Ive come to accept that call for Dirk, but I wont agree with it. Be grateful that Dirk get those bogus calls and move on, no need to defend the indefensible. Like I said Spurs will still win this series.
The comment that turn this into a Manu > Dirk topic
None of those things disproves my point, which by the way, isn't Manu > Dirk.
If Dirk plays like in game one then he's > Duncan, Manu, Jordan, etc.
And right now Dirk > Manu or Duncan
Nowitzki is playing arguably the best ball of his career, Duncan has declined since the all-star break and Manu although most Spurs fans won't agree isn't the same as in his best years.
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Than I politely ask you, to re-explain it so that my dumbass can understand it. Oh and some Mav fans have said that it was pretty fishy that their German vagina shot as many FTs as the Spurs team did combined, or that the Mavs shot 20 more FTs. Yet I dont see your dumbass agreeing with it ing homer.
Anyways you gots can keep on trying to defend the indefensible, i'll be back later.
Thank you!!!! You're admitting to what I've been saying all day long. God, it takes 10 pages to take this out of you guys.
It's a foul!!!
The topic was not about consistency, but since we are there I'll give you my 2 cents. There was one clear foul they missed on Duncan when Haywood jumped over him. That was it. Duncan will get his calls. But as people have pointed out refs will allow more contact in the post with good reason. Proportionally, it takes more contact to miss a shot from 5 feet out than it does from 20 feet. And around the basket often times offensive players will initiate contact first.
But the topic was not consistency. We can have a larger, hopefully real debate on that issue. Clearly it's a big problem in the league. But thank you for admitting finally that the calls on Dirk were 100% deserved.
But anyway, the arg
So your saying that TS% is the ultimate gauge for scoring efficiency and leaves all other stats that measure scoring/efficiency in the dust? I think most would agree the amount of points one can score at a certain rate is important. Scoring less than 10 points at a given TS% isn't the same thing as scoring 20+ points at that TS%.
Both comparisons are illegitimate. You're generally going to be more efficient with bigger offensive threats taking attention than you would be as the #1 option, and I'll repeat that when you're talking about a players' scoring efficiency it's pretty in dumb to not include the amount of points that player scores at his given TS%.
That's bull , if we're going to be rulebook nazis nowhere in the rulebook does it say that body contact in the paint is more acceptable than body contact outside of it. The only blatant foul was the one you mentioned but Damp and Haywood bodied up on Timmy way more often than just that one play, if they would use the same standard they use for Dirk than alot of those should be fouls as well.
But okay I'll agree with you, if we're going to be rulebook nazis than yeah there was come body contact which no matter how minimal is not allowed...so they were fouls on Dirk. But will you in turn agree that Duncan doesnt get those same calls despite arguably more body contact being involved, and that that is pretty blatant unfairness by the refs? Or are you too much of a Mavs homer to admit that.
Manu has proven that he can score 20 ppg at his usual efficiency, Perkins hasn't, so no, it isn't the same comparison.
Also that of the attention beign bigger when you're the number one option is highly overblown. You get the attention when you're a good offensive player and specially when you get the ball. Duncan is/was the number one option of the Spurs on offense but I can show you thousands of plays where he benefits from the attention that Manu and Parker get, the same with Nowitzki and Kidd or Terry and the same with anyother number one option in the history of basketball.
By the way, here's a video of the highlights. Mason's foul is at about 37 secs
http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba...eff&id=5111653
Clearly his arms are hanging over Dirk's head as he is about to go up for the shot.
I told you consistency is a big issue in this league, I also admitted to mistakes at the end of Game 3, 2006. Just as you must admit that Duncan got every possible call and more in the most critical game 7.
Duncan will get his call in the series, he always does. Maybe not in game 2 either, but once the series shifts to SA you'll see that most of the calls will favour the home team.
Not on a consistent basis and not without games that hurt his efficiency. You can't cherry pick Manu's best games and ignore the bad games he has.
I'm talking about a whole season.
So you're saying that having a big man down low who is excellent passing out of the post and constantly draws double teams doesn't make it any easier for Ginobili to score at a more efficient rate?
Yes it does.
No wonder NBA refs are so disliked, most people don't know the basic rules of the game...
Did you read that I said that?
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OK, so if you only include Manu's best season and compare it to Dirk's entire career, good or bad season, he's a more efficient scorer. Gotcha.
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