Dirk

[DAF86]

mogro bullyin dese z

Mogrovejo please give us your opinion about the Manu's best/Dirk's best debate.

[dirk4mvp]

Mogrovejo please give us your opinion about the Manu's best/Dirk's best debate.

lol asking for help

[DAF86]

OK, so if you only include Manu's best season and compare it to Dirk's entire career, good or bad season, he's a more efficient scorer. Gotcha.

No, I'm comparing Manu's career TS% stat to Dirk's career TS% to say that Manu is just as efficient as Dirk scoring the ball. And I brought that Manu's season to show you that he can keep scoring at an efficient rate even when he has more responsabilites and is a number one option on offense.

[endrity]

DAF, Dirk's best seasons are league leading PER seasons. TWICE!

If your argument is that Manu can score efficiently too because he had one season with 20pts, well dude get in line!

Dirk has been averaging close/over to 25 for what, 6-7 years now, and is the symbol of doing so efficiently.

I still don't know what your argument is. At his best means what? Dirk is more clutch, has scored more, and done so more efficiently than anyone in the league at times, doing this while being the focus of defenses for a decade now. How is Manu better man?

And this comes from a guy who absolutely loves Manu, back from his Virtus days. But these is beyond ridiculous and homerish. This argument has no base, statistical or otherwise.

[Findog]

Mogrovejo please give us your opinion about the Manu's best/Dirk's best debate.

"Help me Mogrovejo!"

[Findog]

No, I'm comparing Manu's career TS% stat to Dirk's career TS% to say that Manu is just as efficient as Dirk scoring the ball.

while omitting turnovers.

[endrity]

No, I'm comparing Manu's career TS% stat to Dirk's career TS% to say that Manu is just as efficient as Dirk scoring the ball. And I brought that Manu's season to show you that he can keep scoring at an efficient rate even when he has more responsabilites and is a number one option on offense.

But clearly, that's not the whole story is it. As someone said Kendrick Perkins has a higher TS%. Manu has, at times, reached a TS% similar to Dirk. Dirk, does it every day, every play down the court. He does it while taking the more difficult shots, while being the focus of defenses. With all these, Dirk outperforms Manu efficiency wise by a WIDE margin.

[DAF86]

lol asking for help

I just found funny that Ghazi thinks I'm a ty poster for the lone reason of the Dirk/Manu debate and yet he has (like I do) Mogrovejo in such a high regard even though he thinks exactly as I do on this subject.

[endrity]

I just found funny that Ghazi thinks I'm a ty poster for the lone reason of the Dirk/Manu debate and yet he has (like I do) Mogrovejo in such a high regard even though he thinks exactly as I do on this subject.

I hold Mo to a high regard to, and he also would be wildly mistaken if he thinks like you on the topic.

[DAF86]

while omitting turnovers.

And you omit assist.

We have already gone through this, I don't feel like arguing about it again.

[Findog]

And you omit assist.

We have already gone through this, I don't feel like arguing about it again.

I don't either. If you can't get it, you can't get it. Assists have nothing to do with scoring efficiency.

[DAF86]

But clearly, that's not the whole story is it. As someone said Kendrick Perkins has a higher TS%. Manu has, at times, reached a TS% similar to Dirk. Dirk, does it every day, every play down the court. He does it while taking the more difficult shots, while being the focus of defenses. With all these, Dirk outperforms Manu efficiency wise by a WIDE margin.

Well, Manu has to have done it at a pretty consistent rate too to have a higher TS% than Dirk.

[DAF86]

I don't either. If you can't get it, you can't get it. Assists have nothing to do with scoring efficiency.

And TOs have a lot more to do with assist than with scoring efficiency.

[endrity]

Well, Manu has to have done it at a pretty consistent rate too to have a higher TS% than Dirk.

TS% can be gather by 1 shot, it means nothing about sample size.

[Findog]

And TOs have a lot more to do with assist than with scoring efficiency.

Turnovers are relevant to both assist rate and scoring efficiency. Assist rate and scoring efficiency are two different things.

[DAF86]

DAF, Dirk's best seasons are league leading PER seasons. TWICE!

If your argument is that Manu can score efficiently too because he had one season with 20pts, well dude get in line!

Dirk has been averaging close/over to 25 for what, 6-7 years now, and is the symbol of doing so efficiently.

I still don't know what your argument is. At his best means what? Dirk is more clutch, has scored more, and done so more efficiently than anyone in the league at times, doing this while being the focus of defenses for a decade now. How is Manu better man?

And this comes from a guy who absolutely loves Manu, back from his Virtus days. But these is beyond ridiculous and homerish. This argument has no base, statistical or otherwise.

I already explained that also, you can look it up.

One more thing, I don't think Dirk is a choker however shooting less than 40% from the field in the two most important series of your career isn't beign particulary clutch.

[dirk4mvp]

I already explained that also, you can look it up.

One more thing, I don't think Dirk is a choker however shooting less than 40% from the field in the two most important series of your career isn't beign particulary clutch.

How is the 1st round for a guy who's been past the 1st round several times 1 of the 2 most important series he's ever been in?

[Findog]

I already explained that also, you can look it up.

One more thing, I don't think Dirk is a choker however shooting less than 40% from the field in the two most important series of your career isn't beign particulary clutch.

The Warriors series was more important than the Spurs 2006 series?

[DAF86]

How is the 1st round for a guy who's been past the 1st round several times 1 of the 2 most important series he's ever been in?

It was the only series he played in the only season where his team was the favorite to win it all, after beign named the regualar season MVP.

[Henke]

I just found funny that Ghazi thinks I'm a ty poster for the lone reason of the Dirk/Manu debate and yet he has (like I do) Mogrovejo in such a high regard even though he thinks exactly as I do on this subject.

Can you give me the link to see Mogro's opinion on this subject?

PS:If your source is this post

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...7&postcount=53

in this topic

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149086

then your guy is boston.balla and not Mogrovejo.

[endrity]

And while he didn't shoot as well as he had during the playoffs in 06, his finals stats are a bit biased by a horrible game 4 which the Mavs conceded at half time.

If you wanna talk about that series, please go look at what he did at the end of game 5, where he kept making plays and Wade hitting free throws. Or at game 6, where he played about as well as you can ask for such an important game. 28 points, on over 50% shooting if I remember correctly.

[Muser]

God dammit, Manu is awesome but Dirk is clearly better.

[DAF86]

Can you give me the link to see Mogro's opinion on this subject?

PS:If your source is this post

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...7&postcount=53

in this topic

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149086

then your guy is boston.balla and not Mogrovejo.

I don't remember, I think is mogrovejo but I may be wrong

[DAF86]

God dammit, Manu is awesome but Dirk is clearly better.

Why so angry? chill out. It's just my (and some other folks) opinion, nobody is arguing in behalf of you or other Spursfans.

[MavDynasty]

In that poll a few months back about Dirk VS Manu...who won?

I remember it being close tbh