Dirk

[ezau]

I'll stick to my facts, you stick to your urban myths

Dirk being ringless is an irrefutable fact

[badfish22]

bukkake

http://vimeo.com/11094721

[endrity]

Dirk being ringless is an irrefutable fact

which clearly depends on so many more factors than simply Dirk's abilities

[ezau]

which clearly depends on so many more factors than simply Dirk's abilities

Only y Mavs fans will go to great lengths explaining their team's ineptness to win a le. At the end of the day, if your main man can't bring you to the promised land, he's simply not good enough. I'm talking about your 7'0 jump-shooting big man who hasn't done in 12 years in the league.
As good as Dirk is, he's just like Gasol in so many aspects. Highly skilled, supremely talented, but not good enough to win a le as the team's leader. If Dirk fails to win a championship this year, he ain't gonna win it ever

[badfish22]

Drive For Five!!

[ezau]

Drive For Five!!

2006 and 2007!

[dirk4mvp]

Special, but ringless. Guys like Barkley, Stockton, Malone, and Dirk belong in one cluter.

Does your brain realize that he was referring to you being special as in mentally handicapped?

[dude1394]

It will be a pleasure to put the spurs out of their misery again. Dirk..

[timvpimp]

Only y Mavs fans will go to great lengths explaining their team's ineptness to win a le. At the end of the day, if your main man can't bring you to the promised land, he's simply not good enough. I'm talking about your 7'0 jump-shooting big man who hasn't done in 12 years in the league.
As good as Dirk is, he's just like Gasol in so many aspects. Highly skilled, supremely talented, but not good enough to win a le as the team's leader. If Dirk fails to win a championship this year, he ain't gonna win it ever

I don't see Mavs win champ this year but their future won't be too grim in my humble points of views. Dampier is bound to be removed when the season is done, and presumably the exchanger will be another big name. Dirk's well above 30 but you would be nuts if you think Dirk doesn't have as much left in tank as Duncan has. Duncan has a couple more decent seasons to play and so does Dirk, especially considering Dirk isn't that sort of player who bases his games totally on athleticism.

[timvpimp]

Dirk doesn't know anything but to score. He is highly talented, but I still think he's overrated for much of his career. Check his playoff performance and you can the read the word choke written all over it

As badly as the team sucked in these two shameful playoff runs, Dirk would be the last guy to en led "choker" if you had checked his stats in those games. It wasn't Dirk who bricked shot after shot, and it also wasn't him who got curbstomped inside by those werewolves. They lost in 06 due mainly to the horrible officiating, 07's lose was more of the consequence of Don's knowing about the Mavs and their flaws than anything else.

[Jacob1983]

I think it's funny how Spurs fans always rag on Mavs fans about complaining about the refs in the 2006 Finals yet the Spurs fans do the same thing about the refs in the 2006 second round matchup between the Spurs and the Mavs. Interesting. There were only two teams that beat the Spurs in the playoffs in the 2000s: The Lakers and the Mavs. You can't count the Suns in 2000 because Duncan did not play in that series. Spurs fans need to give 2006 a rest. When you get get screwed by the refs in the Finals, then you will share the Mavs' pain. It's hard for me to have sympathy for the Spurs fans when it comes to complaining about the refs because at the end of the day, your team still has 4 championships. Don't really see why you want to complain when you and your team had it pretty well in the last decade.

[ezau]

I don't see Mavs win champ this year but their future won't be too grim in my humble points of views. Dampier is bound to be removed when the season is done, and presumably the exchanger will be another big name. Dirk's well above 30 but you would be nuts if you think Dirk doesn't have as much left in tank as Duncan has. Duncan has a couple more decent seasons to play and so does Dirk, especially considering Dirk isn't that sort of player who bases his games totally on athleticism.

I didn't say it's gonna be apocalypse if the Mavettes fail to win a championship this year. However, if their team, which is already stacked at the moment still fails to win championship, they're not gonna win it as long as Dirk is their main man. Sadly, Dirk can't play the alpha dog role that the Mavs want him to be.

[rasho8]

As badly as the team sucked in these two shameful playoff runs, Dirk would be the last guy to en led "choker" if you had checked his stats in those games. It wasn't Dirk who bricked shot after shot, and it also wasn't him who got curbstomped inside by those werewolves. They lost in 06 due mainly to the horrible officiating, 07's lose was more of the consequence of Don's knowing about the Mavs and their flaws than anything else.

No but wasnt it him who curb stomped the stationary bike? YEAH YOU EXCERCISE BIKE!! WHAM!! WHERE IS MY FOUL CALL?!?!

[Ghazi]

I didn't say it's gonna be apocalypse if the Mavettes fail to win a championship this year. However, if their team, which is already stacked at the moment still fails to win championship, they're not gonna win it as long as Dirk is their main man. Sadly, Dirk can't play the alpha dog role that the Mavs want him to be.

Can you save that for when Dirk has a bad game instead of right after he drops 36 points on 14 shots against your team?

LMAO Spurs

[tdunk21]

06 choke nowitzki....

[ezau]

Can you save that for when Dirk has a bad game instead of right after he drops 36 points on 14 shots against your team?

LMAO Spurs

Well that's what he does. Dominate the offensive side of things and disappear when on the verge of winning a championship. I hope he proves me wrong, but well, he still hasn't won a ring after 12 years. The clock is ticking Mavs fans

[darkwitzki]

Well that's what he does. Dominate the offensive side of things and disappear when on the verge of winning a championship. I hope he proves me wrong, but well, he still hasn't won a ring after 12 years. The clock is ticking Mavs fans

Surrender your ass (rather than butt kicking) in this B O 7 series Spurfans, and will knock the Lakers in the WCF,then crush whom we will face in the East in the finals.

[oh crap]

I'm not even that big of a Dirk fan. He was my least favorite of the old big 3.

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mav fan a dirk hater??? discuss.

[Muser]

How does least favorite means he hates him? Parker is probably my least favorite of the big 3 but I still like him.

[DAF86]

The question is not this however. It's whether he is better than Dirk, career wise, or at their absolute best-wise. That, to me and others, seems far fetched. Do you disagree with that?

Serious question: So I'd like for you to give me an honest answer.

What career would you like to have?

Euroleague champion with MVP, Olympic gold medal with MVP, three NBA championships beign a vital player of that team not just a role player (one vote away of finals MVP in '05). Hall of Famer not for his NBA career but for his overall basketball career.

or

NBA MVP, one time NBA finalist, lots of all-stars and all-NBA teams, Hall of Famer for his NBA career.

Dirk's individual NBA career > Manu's individual NBA career (although I'd rather have the championships than the stats)

But imho, Manu's basketball career > Dirk's basketball career

[DAF86]

Because obviously Manu is a better point guard than Chauncey, as evidenced by him awesome ball handling against the Mavs in game 1.

WTF does that have to do with the fact that Manu is a better player than Billups?

[dirk4mvp]

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mav fan a dirk hater??? discuss.

tbh your brain would turn into puddle if you tried to comprehend that some Spurfans lean that way about Duncan.

[diego]

dirk is a very good player, very unique too.

but some people in this thread are acting like he is perfect. he can make poor decisions with the ball and his perimeter oriented style negates some of his value as a big man, not to mention his poor defense which is very important at his position. also, to say that his team hasnt made it all the way solely because of his teammates is also weak. he has one of the biggest spending owners in the league and has played with MVPs, HOFers, all nbaers, all stars, the works. remember the fab five mavs? out in the first round if memory serves... not every team can win, but only one finals appearance and one WCF? malone, barkley et all had more success than that. an honest mav fan will admit to a lot of disappointment, unless they never had hope to begin with. is dirk solely responsible? no. but he isnt without blame either. also, when dirk gets frustrated on the court he loses his composure and has thrown his teammates under the bus on more than one occasion, on the court and in press conferences.

I'm argentine, yes, but if I had to start a team I would take Dirk- bigmen are more scarce and you dont pass on a near double double and matchup nightmare, whereas an all around, heady two guard like manu dont grow on trees but are still easier to find than an all-nba forward.

that said, I also think manu has more of a winners, killers mentality, that he is the more versatile player, the more exciting player, and that he's had a better career. I'm 100% sure dirk would trade his MVP for manu's olympic gold and 3 rings any day of the week. for one game peak vs peak, manu + scrubs vs dirk + scrubs, I'd probably bet on manu, even if dirk's odds are better to win- i'd rather root for the player who is trying to do everything and playing balls to the wall, than the guy who does two things (jumpers and rebounds) with finesse. finesse is beautiful and great for the body, but it doesnt win battles like balls to the wall does.

and for those that will argue that point, I bet that manu will finish this series with more points in the paint than dirk despite dirk's height advantage, his advantage as 1st option, and his advantage playing more minutes. total points in the paint manu will have more. also, manu will have more blocks + steals than dirk, despite the aforementioned advantages. mav fans have been harping on and on about how the spurs dont have the personnel to guard dirk, so dont use duncan or whoever as an excuse afterwards.

[badfish22]

I'm 100% sure dirk would trade his MVP for manu's olympic gold and 3 rings any day of the week.

The difference between those is one is a individual award and the other are team awards. Not really a good comparison at all.

[DAF86]

The difference between those is one is a individual award and the other are team awards. Not really a good comparison at all.

But a good point when you talk about who had the best basketball career which is the point that endrity brought up.