First of all, Kobe was 2nd Team not 1st.
Second of all, Durant plays in a position (Forwards) where players tends to dominate more than guards. Considering the quality of players in this era that fills the same position ( Garnett, Artest, Lebron, Geral Wallace, Josh Smith) of course he's not going to make 1st or even 2nd team.
Kobe basically got into ALL NBA defensive by default when Payton and Kidd slowed down. Not because he's a "great and tenacious" defender.
Last edited by ChrisRichards; 04-21-2010 at 09:51 PM.
Maybe you should know yours before you make a fool of yourself. And nice move to edit your comment about me not knowing my NBA when you realized you were wrong again.
1999-00
FIRST TEAM
Tim Duncan, San Antonio
Kevin Garnett, Minnesota
Alonzo Mourning, Miami
Gary Payton, Seattle
Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers
SECOND TEAM
Scottie Pippen, Portland
Clifford Robinson, Phoenix
Shaquille O'Neal, L.A. Lakers
Eddie Jones, Charlotte
Jason Kidd, Phoenix
http://www.nba.com/history/awards_defensiveteams.html
Sounds like a lot of excuses to me.
You mean the year that Iverson had numbers very similar to both the above players? How bizzare?
*** I'm feeling a backpeddle and made up quote/lie comming soon ***
Its not an excuse. Getting an All Defense team nod for the forward position is harder. Just look at the quality of guards that made it versus forwards that was voted in.
I stand corrected on the All NBA defense team, I was looking at 2000-2001 season where Kobe made 2nd team, not 1st.
Bottom line is Kobe was a much better defender at that age vs Durant. If you cannot accept that then so be it. We all know why. For the very same reason you cannot accept that while both players are great players at that age, Kobe was definetly the better all around player. It's ok CR... we know it consumes you.
I smell ...bull . but whatever if you spent as much time at ANYTHING in your pathetic life as ou do oposting bull about Kobe you could be very successful.
Durant had some good looks at the end and he failed. Guy has an AMAZING FUTURE ahead and pretty damn good present he is a YOUNG superstar but in the playoffs ...you need a vet ....Lebron is ready to take it durant is not.
But KD maybe in a few more years ...by then Kobe will be old and you PROBABLY STILL BE POSTING this crap ...
Defense is a wash LOL you fail right there ...I just said defense is a wash
at 21 Kobe was guarding ALL perimeter players Durant almost never guards ANY top swing men
Yes, im sure you know this since you watch OKC games all the time.
Kobe in 2000 > Durant
Kobe in 2001 >> Durant
Kobe in 2002 >>> Durant
Kobe in 2003 >>>> Durant
We'll see if Kevin has that kind of progression as a player in the upcoming years. If he does, kudos, and watch out league. But this summer he needs to get in the gym and increase his core strength, and get a coach to work with him on his other skills.
How did i miss this one?
Yeah, your incessant posts ragging on the Lakers and Kobe say otherwise. *Glancing over at your sig*
You need to calm down internet tough guy. Go outside and make some friends. Wake up and smell the coffee. Your world should'nt revolve around Kobe Bryant. He does'nt give a crap about you.
Says the guy who posts more about Kobe than all other posters combined.
Durant has some improvements to make, at that age, the evolution in his game should'nt halt anyway. BUt he's been a remarkable player given his situation and how he brought the best out of it.
With an extra 15-20 lbs of muscle and more experience under his belt, the kid is going to do some damage along with Lebron in the league.
I post sometimes to get a rile out of Kobe homers, its funny watching them explode with anger over something so petty and irrelevant.Says the guy who posts more about Kobe than all other posters combined.
Yeah... you keep telling yourself that. Someday you will figure it out. Recognizing is the first step...
38%>47%
Regular Season Stats>Playoff Stats
-Cobbler 03/12/2010
the above backpeddle comment highlighted out in post 109 just to prove the predictability of CR.Sounds like a lot of excuses to me.
You mean the year that Iverson had numbers very similar to both the above players? How bizzare?
*** I'm feeling a backpeddle and made up quote/lie comming soon ***
And right on queue....
The backpeddle: (and removal of the comment questioning my knowledge)
And the infamous lie:
38%>47%
Regular Season Stats>Playoff Stats
-Cobbler 03/12/2010
Oh so predictable....
Last edited by cobbler; 04-21-2010 at 11:34 PM.
Damn, word?..
I don't see it..
Kobe in 2000 wasn't even an all-NBA 1st team player..he was 12th in MVP voting..yes, Shaq's historic season had a part in Kobe's low MVP voting, but 12th?..you're comparing him to a guy that will be on the all-NBA 1st team this season and should finish no worse than 3rd in MVP voting, maybe even 2nd..
If you're talking about box score stats, Durant has him beat by a decent margin..Kobe was #12 in PER, while Durant was #3 in the NBA in their respective seasons..Durant's TS% was also better than Kobe's by a huge margin..yes, Kobe could have put up better stats had he been a #1 option on his team, but then there would have been an even larger gap in efficiency, since your efficiency generally lowers as your usage rises..
Kobe is the better defender by a good margin, no doubt about that..Durant is no slouch defensively, but Kobe has a good advantage in this regard..Kobe is also the better playmaker, no doubt about that..
The all-around player argument is valid, but it's not the same as overall impact on a game, which is what is used to compare players..Durant is a legitimate MVP candidate this season, an all-NBA 1st team guy and clearly had more impact on his team than Kobe did during this particular season..
You would have to believe that the current talent in the NBA is extremely weak in comparison to the NBA in 2000 to say an all-NBA 2nd team, 12th place MVP getter is better than an all-NBA 1st guy that led the NBA in scoring on amazing efficiency, was a legit MVP guy and had ridiculous +/- numbers as well..at least IMO..
Great piece Harlem, thats real talk right there. But expect a lot of "PER, TS, or any statistical data does'nt mean " or simply the famous "
Well said... and we will just have to agree to disagree. I am a big Durant fan so don't get me wrong. I think the difference in rolls (veteran team vs focal) and Kobe's playmaking and defensive superiority outweigh advance stats and most certainly MVP voting. MVP voting is subjective at best and rarely takes defense into account. The scorers will always have an advantage in the MVP race. Also not taken into account with any stats are heart, desire, and clutchness.
Predictably obsessed.... and owned!Great piece Harlem, thats real talk right there. But expect a lot of "PER, TS, or any statistical data does'nt mean " or simply the famous "
Told you so...Kobe's playmaking and defensive superiority outweigh advance stats and most certainly MVP voting
Ah I see. That's why Kobe won two MVP's when he led the league in scoring twice and because Steve Nash was such a great scorer.The scorers will always have an advantage in the MVP race.
Lets just completely flush the simple and irrefutable reason why players win MVP's nowadays and just say "scorers will always have an advantage in MVP Race"
Mission accomplished. Harlem obviously not a homer deserves a real response.
Come on now CR... I know you're hurt... but that is a huge stretch! Kobe didn't win the MVP's one of those years because of his colorado incident and you know it. He could have easily won both. Nash was the media darling and played well and actually did score well on the highest scoring team in the league besides.
If you don't think the MVP is given out to the scorers, offensive players, and media darlings well.... there isn't much that can be said.
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