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    I think Nelly still hates his guts, but there's still a warm spot in his heart for his son.
    I think Cuban hates him too, but if he's gonna do a Dampier for Ellis trade this offseason he better start kissing Nellie's gigantic ass.

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    Wouldn't we have Kobe instead of Dirk when det was on the table, tbh?
    Nope. Kobe had a no-trade clause and wasn't going to accept a trade to Dallas in exchange for Dirk. The Lakers had no plans to trade him anyway until the summer of 2008 if he were still unhappy. Once they got Gasol, he was mollified.

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    Ellis is a glorified chucker. He literally shoots everytime he has the ball and he plays no defense.

    Roddy is 100 times better than him, and Carlise if around next year should finally start giving him minutes.
    Cool it guy. Ellis plays in a system where it is encouraged to chuck shots and play no D. I'd like to see how he does elsewhere where the culture isn't to play backyard basketball.

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    Ellis is a glorified chucker. He literally shoots everytime he has the ball and he plays no defense.
    No interest whatsoever in Ellis. I'd rather develop Roddy.

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    Butler + Haywood > Jackson, imho.

    I don't know what Rick sees in Dampier that is better than what Brendan brings.
    Haywood hasn't done a great job of defending Duncan 1 on 1 in this series.

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    Haywood hasn't done a great job of defending Duncan 1 on 1 in this series.
    He did a pretty good job tonight.

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    No interest whatsoever in Ellis. I'd rather develop Roddy.
    how would that get in the way? Roddy is a PG, Ellis is a SG.

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    I'd take ellis in a heartbeat. He's everything the Mavs need right now. Aggressive, attacks the basket, makes them faster and more athletic.

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    Do they have the cap space to do that?
    Here's what you can say for sure about the 2010/11 Dallas Mavericks:

    Dirk (Unless he gets so fed up that he opts out and signs elsewhere)
    Kidd
    Terry (Can't move his contract)
    Marion (Can't move his contract)
    Carroll (Can't move his contract)
    Roddy B

    Dallas's cap figure is $84 million next year. Dirk has a player option, but he is not expected to leave Dallas. Terry has two years left on his deal after this one. Marion has four years left. I think Carroll has three. Dallas can't shed those contracts unless they take back similarly bad deals. Haywood is an unrestricted FA.

    Damp has a team option for $13 million that can be declined by whoever holds his contract in August for an instant $13 million in savings. Dallas can theoretically trade his rights to Team X for a contract that runs past the 2010/11 season, a straight cash for talent deal. Butler and Stevenson have one year left on their contracts for next season that total about $14.6 million. Barea has a team option for $1.8 million.

    Dallas can put together a Dampier/Butler/Stevenson/Barea package for a nearly $30 million cap figure if they're willing to take back contracts that run past the 2010/11 season. With Houston well positioned to sign a FA this summer, with Portland and the Zombie Sonics only going to get stronger, and with San Antonio and the Lakers probably in the contender mix for the next two years or so, those four contracts represent the last chance Dallas has to do something in the Dirk Era.

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    Jason Kidd is a big problem since San Antonio and a lot of playoff ballclubs have huge mismatches they can exploit against him.

    Another season's worth of chemistry might help the new Mavs but imo Kidd is the elephant in the room...because of him you have to play JJ Barea and go small ball since Kidd is rarely benched especially during crunch time.

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    Isn't Roddy more a like a shooting guard like Terry?
    He's being used in that capacity right now, but they better be working like to make him a PG cuz this team is ed when the inevitable Jason Kidd body meltdown happens (it may already be upon us).

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    how would that get in the way? Roddy is a PG, Ellis is a SG.
    Roddy is not a PG. He's as much of a PG as Tyreke Evans or Russell Westbrook. He's a PG if you define the 1 as "the guy who brings the ball up the court." I see Roddy as a Parker/Barbosa three years ago guy who is much better at penetrating and attacking the paint than actually running an offense.

    Bringing in Ellis intereferes with Roddy's development in my opinion. In an ideal situation, we use Damp's contract to get a Joe Johnson type at 2 guard, and then Roddy is the first guard off the bench playing 25-30 minutes a night consistently next year.

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    Thunder and Blazers are rising powers.

    Lebron is the transcendent force of our time and the 2nd best player in the league, D-Whistle, will probably find himself with some help next year.

    Dirk will be 32 years old next year.

    I weep for the boys in blue, I truly weep

    Iguodala, Ellis... can players like these truly imprint NBA history?

    I weep

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    Jason Kidd is a big problem since San Antonio and a lot of playoff ballclubs have huge mismatches they can exploit against him.

    Another season's worth of chemistry might help the new Mavs but imo Kidd is the elephant in the room...because of him you have to play JJ Barea and go small ball since Kidd is rarely benched especially during crunch time.
    Kidd was terrific for us this year, but the Spurs have done an excellent job of running him off the 3-pt line. Without that 3-pt shot, he's not nearly as much of an offensive threat.

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    Roddy is not a PG. He's as much of a PG as Tyreke Evans or Russell Westbrook. He's a PG if you define the 1 as "the guy who brings the ball up the court." I see Roddy as a Parker/Barbosa three years ago guy who is much better at penetrating and attacking the paint than actually running an offense.

    Bringing in Ellis intereferes with Roddy's development in my opinion. In an ideal situation, we use Damp's contract to get a Joe Johnson type at 2 guard, and then Roddy is the first guard off the bench playing 25-30 minutes a night consistently next year.
    If you say so. Then again, I've been dead-on perfect with how the Mavs would play this postseason, and every other Mavs fan here has......well....not.

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    Cool it guy. Ellis plays in a system where it is encouraged to chuck shots and play no D. I'd like to see how he does elsewhere where the culture isn't to play backyard basketball.
    The Warriors offence with and without Ellis is like night and day. If he isn't on the floor and they're playing, say, the Curry/Morrow backcourt, the ball-movement+everybody making the extra-pass+the fastness is spectacular.

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    Let me be clear: I loved the Buler/Haywood/Stevenson trade when it happened. I still love it now. Despite what's happening to them in this series, these Mavs are significantly improved over last season. The Butler trade was the right move at the time it was made.

    But was it the best move to make? I ask this question:

    What if the Mavs made a trade for Stephen Jackson when he was, not only available, but practically begging to come to Dallas? On top of that, even Nellie was pushing for him to be traded to Dallas.

    How much different and/or better would this team be if Jackson was here instead of Butler/Haywood? Would they even be better at all?

    Honestly I have no clue. I don't see Stephen Jackson play enough to pass judgement. But I remember what he did in 2003, I remember what he did in 2007, and I saw him take a mediocre lottery team and turn them into a playoff team this season.

    What if?
    I don't think they'd be better. Maybe Jackson would be better than Butler, but Haywood is an important asset being underutilized.

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    If you say so. Then again, I've been dead-on perfect with how the Mavs would play this postseason, and every other Mavs fan here has......well....not.
    You said that they were jump-shooting front-running pussies who would quit at the first sign of adversity. The last three games they have definitely NOT quit. They've dug themselves holes and been forced to crawl out of them, but I have yet to see this crawl into the fetal position while feeling sorry for themselves demonstration you said would happen. Direct me to the post where you said Carlisle would coach this team out of the series and I'll concede your wisdom.

    In my opinion they squandered two very winnable games in San Antonio thanks to horrible coaching/clutch shooting by Tony Parker/bad perimeter defense, games you never gave them a chance of winning because they are apparently jump-shooting front-running pussies that would lay down the first time the Spurs punched them in the mouth.

    That's why they lost this game by 25 points after that awful third quarter, why they never made a game of it after the Spurs went ahead by 20 in Game 2, and why San Antonio seized control in Game 3 and Dallas never mounted a run to get back in it.

    Force Popovich and Carlisle to switch teams and it's 2-2 right now. The Spurs are better, but not by much. You were right about 3-1, you weren't right about how they got there.

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    I don't think they'd be better. Maybe Jackson would be better than Butler, but Haywood is an important asset being underutilized.
    True, if Haywood was getting more time and more chances things might be different. Why they never go pick-n-roll with Haywood/Kidd is incredible to me. Regular season, I know, but that was almost unstoppable at times during the 13 game win streak.

    Mainly the difference between Butler and Jackson would be in the locker room. Butler's no mental midget, but he isn't a vocal leader with the bunker mentality of Stephen Jackson. As we all know, another of the Mavs biggest needs is a true leader. Kidd can only do so much but when he's as lacking in offensive skills as he currently is, you can't truly lead the team. Dirk will simply never be the vocal leader the Mavs have to have to succeed in the playoffs. Jackson could have fit that role.

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    You said that they were jump-shooting front-running pussies who would quit at the first sign of adversity. The last three games they have definitely NOT quit. They've dug themselves holes and been forced to crawl out of them, but I have yet to see this crawl into the fetal position while feeling sorry for themselves demonstration you said would happen. Direct me to the post where you said Carlisle would coach this team out of the series and I'll concede your wisdom.

    In my opinion they squandered two very winnable games in San Antonio thanks to horrible coaching/clutch shooting by Tony Parker/bad perimeter defense, games you never gave them a chance of winning because they are apparently jump-shooting front-running pussies that would lay down the first time the Spurs punched them in the mouth.

    That's why they lost this game by 25 points after that awful third quarter, why they never made a game of it after the Spurs went ahead by 20 in Game 2, and why San Antonio seized control in Game 3 and Dallas never mounted a run to get back in it.

    Force Popovich and Carlisle to switch teams and it's 2-2 right now. The Spurs are better, but not by much. You were right about 3-1, you weren't right about how they got there.
    So jacking up jumpers is playing hard? Giving up on trying to beat the double team and taking only 10 shots when you know full well the only way your team is going to win is if you take over offensively is playing hard?

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    So jacking up jumpers is playing hard? Giving up on trying to beat the double team and taking only 10 shots when you know full well the only way your team is going to win is if you take over offensively is playing hard?
    Are you putting tonight's loss on Dirk? Are you putting 3-1 on Dirk? Seriously?

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    What? Jeff Goldblum, man!
    Do you know what today is? This is my cat's birthday today.

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    Are you putting tonight's loss on Dirk? Are you putting 3-1 on Dirk? Seriously?
    You better in believe I am. Dirk knows damn well this team needs him putting up 30+ a night for them to take this series. He KNOWS he has to be at the absolute top of his game for the Mavs to succeed. How has he responded? He played like ass in Game 2, and he didn't even try in Game 4. TEN SHOTS????? TEN ING SHOTS??????

    Game 1 he was bad ass, and Game 3 was not his fault at all, that's 100% on Carlisle. But when your best player only shows up 50% of the time in the playoffs, that's what gets your team down 3-1.

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