Free Mahinmi???

[TJastal]

Drafted in 2005. Five years ago = half a decade. Sucks for him about the injuries, but that's life.

The spurs weren't expecting immediate returns when he was drafted.. he wasn't actually signed until 2007. You really can't count the two years in summer league before that as wasted years. He was ing 19 years old at the time you dip .

[coyotes_geek]

The spurs weren't expecting immediate returns when he was drafted.. he wasn't actually signed until 2007. You really can't count the two years in summer league before that as wasted years. He was ing 19 years old at the time you dip .

Dip ? Someone got their precious feelings hurt. Grow up and quit acting like a 6th grader just because someone on the internet disagrees with you.

As for your point, yes, we all knew that no one was expecting immediate returns when he was drafted. In 2005 he was an 18 year old athlete who we hoped would turn into a basketball player one day. Well, it's 2010 now and now he's a 23 year old athlete and we're still hoping he turns into a basketball player one day. I don't care that he didn't sign with the Spurs until 2007. Those two years were still two years he should have been developing as a basketball player and it sure doesn't look to me like he did.

You think 5 years is too soon to give up on the guy? Okay, fair enough. How many years do you want to give him? Seven? Ten? Twelve?

[dreamcastrocks]

In Ian's case "altering shots" consists of changing an opposing player's field goal attempt into two free throw attempts.

classic.

[TJastal]

Dip ? Someone got their precious feelings hurt. Grow up and quit acting like a 6th grader just because someone on the internet disagrees with you.

As for your point, yes, we all knew that no one was expecting immediate returns when he was drafted. In 2005 he was an 18 year old athlete who we hoped would turn into a basketball player one day. Well, it's 2010 now and now he's a 23 year old athlete and we're still hoping he turns into a basketball player one day. I don't care that he didn't sign with the Spurs until 2007. Those two years were still two years he should have been developing as a basketball player and it sure doesn't look to me like he did.

You think 5 years is too soon to give up on the guy? Okay, fair enough. How many years do you want to give him? Seven? Ten? Twelve?

I don't have hurt feelings. I enjoy calling out buffoonery on ST when I come across it. And by the way, 23 years old is the average age most players first enter the league. Sure it would have been great if he would have been an instant sensation like Kevin Durant was at age 19 but most intelligent folks understand that is not going to be the case with every 19 year old.

Add in the fact that he's been hampered by injuries that have set his development back another couple years and also the fact that he recieved so few minutes this year from Pop when he was completely healthy and your arguments become even shallower. It's hard to prove yourself from the bench.

In limited garbage minutes this year he put up gaudy numbers. The guy showed he is deserving of an extended look to see if he can play in this league. If not on the spurs I'm fairly certain it will be for some other team. I just wish Pop would have used him in place of Bonner's 15-20m a game and gave him some serious development time. There's no telling where he'd be at right now. Defensively he is already head and shoulders above Bonner, and he'd be a much better fit next to Blair in that 2nd unit. The Boner/Blair combo is just too porous defensively.

[will_spurs]

Dip ? Someone got their precious feelings hurt.

Or maybe he hit a bit too close to the mark.

Those two years [2005-2007] were still two years he should have been developing as a basketball player and it sure doesn't look to me like he did.

And how would you know that? Because he must not have made any progress otherwise Pop would have played him? Given Pop's track record for players development... ok he managed to help 2 guards in the past 10+ years.

[/quote]You think 5 years is too soon to give up on the guy? Okay, fair enough. How many years do you want to give him? Seven? Ten? Twelve?[/quote]

15 minutes per game, 10 straight games. But you will see it next year when he's signed by another team.

[SenorSpur]

I don't have hurt feelings. I enjoy calling out buffoonery on ST when I come across it. And by the way, 23 years old is the average age most players first enter the league. Sure it would have been great if he would have been an instant sensation like Kevin Durant was at age 19 but most intelligent folks understand that is not going to be the case with every 19 year old.

Add in the fact that he's been hampered by injuries that have set his development back another couple years and also the fact that he recieved so few minutes this year from Pop when he was completely healthy and your arguments become even shallower. It's hard to prove yourself from the bench.

In limited garbage minutes this year he put up gaudy numbers. The guy showed he is deserving of an extended look to see if he can play in this league. If not on the spurs I'm fairly certain it will be for some other team. I just wish Pop would have used him in place of Bonner's 15-20m a game and gave him some serious development time. There's no telling where he'd be at right now. Defensively he is already head and shoulders above Bonner, and he'd be a much better fit next to Blair in that 2nd unit. The Boner/Blair combo is just too porous defensively.

Excellent points there. Ian would work better, paired with Blair, on the second unit. Besides being a defensive liability on defense and a one-trick pony on offense, Bonner's 3-pt shooting isnt needed as much without Duncan on the floor. I hope we'll see this more next year.

[coyotes_geek]

I don't have hurt feelings. I enjoy calling out buffoonery on ST when I come across it. And by the way, 23 years old is the average age most players first enter the league. Sure it would have been great if he would have been an instant sensation like Kevin Durant was at age 19 but most intelligent folks understand that is not going to be the case with every 19 year old.

That's not what this conversation is about. We're in agreement that no one expected Ian to be an instant sensation.

Add in the fact that he's been hampered by injuries that have set his development back another couple years and also the fact that he recieved so few minutes this year from Pop when he was completely healthy and your arguments become even shallower. It's hard to prove yourself from the bench.

Is it hard to prove yourself in practice? I'd hope we can agree that Pop isn't making Ian sit on the bench during practices, shootarounds and walkthroughs. Just because Ian isn't getting game minutes doesn't mean Ian isn't getting an opportunity to show what he can do.

In limited garbage minutes this year he put up gaudy numbers. The guy showed he is deserving of an extended look to see if he can play in this league. If not on the spurs I'm fairly certain it will be for some other team. I just wish Pop would have used him in place of Bonner's 15-20m a game and gave him some serious development time. There's no telling where he'd be at right now. Defensively he is already head and shoulders above Bonner, and he'd be a much better fit next to Blair in that 2nd unit. The Boner/Blair combo is just too porous defensively.

Those gaudy numbers include a ratio of 4 fouls for every blocked shot, with the overwhelming majority of those fouls and blocks coming in garbage time. Not a very good ratio for someone hoping to be a shotblocker. While the Bonner/Blair combo is definitely porous, that doesn't mean that Ian makes things better by coming in and picking up a bunch of fouls.

[coyotes_geek]

Or maybe he hit a bit too close to the mark.

If that's what you'd like to believe, go ahead.

And how would you know that? Because he must not have made any progress otherwise Pop would have played him? Given Pop's track record for players development... ok he managed to help 2 guards in the past 10+ years.

In addition to Parker and Hill I'd say that Dejuan Blair is coming along nicely. Antonio Daniels, Malik Rose, Stephen Jackson, Speedy Claxton and Devin Brown are additional examples of guys Pop played early in their careers. Beyond those guys there's also the James Whites, Darius Washingtons and Pops Mensah Bonsus of the world. Guys who Pop took a look at and cut loose, with his assessment of their abilities being validated by the fact that those guys didn't end up in some other NBA team's regular rotation.

Considering all that, isn't it possible that maybe, just maybe, that the reason Ian might not be playing because he's just not that good?

15 minutes per game, 10 straight games. But you will see it next year when he's signed by another team.

If he does I welcome you to bump this thread and I will gladly eat my crow. Of course I'd hope that you're willing to do the same should Ian's 2010-2011 season bear a striking resemblance to his 2009-2010 one.

[sabar]

Leave him out. This series is going to be hard enough with players that actually know each other. Fact is, it is way too late to free Ian. These are going to be close games and we can't afford to give up runs and free throws to test out a new player.

The post-season isn't where you try to evaluate your new talent. The front office blew many opportunities to evaluate Ian in the regular season, it would be suicide to do so now. Yes, even more suicide than a Bonner/Blair front court is. This team already turns the ball over too much and commits stupid fouls in the paint. Ian will only increase these issues. He CAN be worse than Bonner, like it or not.

If we are down and nothing is working, toss him in. Don't expect the coaching staff to put him in during any other situation, it's not realistic. We shouldn't of wasted all those minutes on Ratliff and we are paying for it now since Ian could of learned. Too bad, live and move on.

[underdawg]

Those gaudy numbers include a ratio of 4 fouls for every blocked shot, with the overwhelming majority of those fouls and blocks coming in garbage time. Not a very good ratio for someone hoping to be a shotblocker. While the Bonner/Blair combo is definitely porous, that doesn't mean that Ian makes things better by coming in and picking up a bunch of fouls.

young players foul (especially bigs) - Blair, Ibaka, Landry (still fouls a lot)

[underdawg]

In addition to Parker and Hill I'd say that Dejuan Blair is coming along nicely. Antonio Daniels, Malik Rose, Stephen Jackson, Speedy Claxton and Devin Brown are additional examples of guys Pop played early in their careers. Beyond those guys there's also the James Whites, Darius Washingtons and Pops Mensah Bonsus of the world. Guys who Pop took a look at and cut loose, with his assessment of their abilities being validated by the fact that those guys didn't end up in some other NBA team's regular rotation.

Even Pop admits that he's not developing Blair. Daniels - better after the Spurs, Jackson - better after the Spurs; Devin Brown developed outside the NBA and really didn't improve with the Spurs or after; Claxton peaked with the Spurs. Tolliver didn't do too bad this year on a horrible team, but the fact is that most Spurs players won't necessarily go tear it up on another team since they were on the Spurs as role players in the first place. Stephen Jackson might be the only exception.

[jermaine]

mahinmi commits four fouls before he even reaches the scorer table.

Blair does it & he gets time on the court. Ian mustve told Pop 2 himself. If weak ass Mason can go 2 the press about being traded & get mins an still play horriable. Mannnnnnnnn its something really wrong with Ian.

[4>0rings]

Blair does it & he gets time on the court. Ian mustve told Pop 2 himself. If weak ass Mason can go 2 the press about being traded & get mins an still play horriable. Mannnnnnnnn its something really wrong with Ian.

Nothings wrong with Ian. Pops just a stuburn old coot that yells at kids to get off his lawn.

[Spurologist]

if Louis ing Admunson and Derron mother ing Collins are on the floor, why can't Ian?????

Ian could be Pop's card under the sleeve!!!

People forget Nazr had a 30 and 16 game against many of these same suns.

[objective]

Ian is a better player than Bonner, and his one game where he got minutes against Dallas proves it.

Ian may not be the answer. I'd like more McDyess and Blair. But Ian is better than Bonner. Period.

[venitian navigator]

Ian is a better player than Bonner, and his one game where he got minutes against Dallas proves it.

Ian may not be the answer. I'd like more McDyess and Blair. But Ian is better than Bonner. Period.

If we talk about defense, that's questionable...for sure he's a better defender 'cause of his skills, but he's also foul prone. However, Bonner is seen as our worst defensive player by all of our opponents (and that should mean something).
Ian should be better for sure in rebounding ...and if we talk about offense, anybody should be better than a shooter that is scared to shoot and when shoot misses...

[admiralsnackbar]

Ian is a better player than Bonner, and his one game where he got minutes against Dallas proves it.

The stats do not back up your claim, nor does Ian's pre-season play, nor does Pop's lack of confidence in him all season long.

[wildbill2u]

mahinmi commits four fouls before he even reaches the scorer table.

That's the standard rap against Mahinmi, but in his appearances during the regular season he was much better about fouling. He's obviously learning to play within the rules and put some limits on his enthusiasm.

In a game of matchups, who do we have to counter their big, fast, athletic big bench players? The cupboard is bare.

The question I have is whether we could afford to give up 6 fouls to keep Channing Frye (6'11") covered out on the perimeter and stop the 3s raining down. Niether Tim nor Bonner nor McDyess can play with him out there. Make him earn two on the line instead of getting wide open 3s. Call it Foul-a-Frye.

Did you notice how we're getting killed on offensive rebounds. They are too tall, too athletic. Inside Ian'd give us some shot blocking, some rebounds and might even score some. His offensive game isn't bad.

It would be a risk, but if I have terminal cancer and someone says eating chokecherries will help, I'd say "Please Sir, May I have some more"

[ElNono]

mahinmi commits four fouls before he even reaches the scorer table.

At this point, if he manages to score 4 points and grab 4 boards before fouling out in 10 mins, he already did better than Bonner...

[admiralsnackbar]

At this point, if he manages to score 4 points and grab 4 boards before fouling out in 10 mins, he already did better than Bonner...

In games that are decided by less than 10 points, is that really a chance worth taking? We lost because Manu had a bad offensive night. Bonner was just an ahem red herring.

[DarrinS]

In games that are decided by less than 10 points, is that really a chance worth taking? We lost because Manu had a bad offensive night. Bonner was just an ahem red herring.

Really? Really?

[admiralsnackbar]

Really? Really?

Really.

[nkdlunch]

At this point, if he manages to score 4 points and grab 4 boards before fouling out in 10 mins, he already did better than Bonner...

Ian would have definitely grabbed those rebounds in the 2nd quarter

[Agloco]

Bonner: below average basketball IQ..tries hard to defend, but physical tools don't allow him to be successful no matter what..has absolutely no ability to handle pressure and can no longer make 3-pointers at a decent rate..stops his dribble way too much once he's ran off the 3-point line, stalling the offense and putting the team in a bad position..horrible passer..

makes decent defensive rotations..tries hard..has occasionally made 2-pointers in the playoffs so far..

LOL.......I love your takes HH, but this is just harsh man. Not a kind word in here. Not saying you're wrong, just saying that Matty B is still one of your boys until the season is over so we should try to keep from throwing him under the bus.

[Obstructed_View]

Many a GM has learned the hard way that size isn't enough. If size and athleticism were all that it took Francisco Elson would still be a Spur.

If Francisco Elson were still a Spur he'd be be the best big off the bench not named Mahinmi.