When does Shaq retire and where does his jersey hang?

[SenorSpur]

Nope. The alumni still hold Shaq to the fire for his behavior before and after the divorce.

Speaking of which, how does the alumni actually feel about Shaq?

[Muser]

Why the is this even a question

[SenorSpur]

I think the fat man has grown up as well. , we know if Shaquille had been injured while playing for the Lakers, we'd be more nervous than a in church about him going over 380. Dude came back lean and in great shape. Part of the Fat Man finally gets it.

Dude has not grown up at all. Anyone who has kept up with his petty actions toward his soon-to-be ex-wife will know that he's the same chidish, immature, -made punk that he's always been.

I just read the reason why PHX shipped his ass out of town - because he selfishly started hogging the basketball in an effort to prove to his next team that he still had game.

Shaq gets butt-kissed because of his personality and he's parlayed that into being a media darling, but this guy is big, fat, farce and a selfish, jealous, punk, to boot. He aint changed a bit.

[TheMACHINE]

It's true he doesn't have to retire it. But what would that really say about Doc Buss?? That he's a bitter old man?? If anything, Bean's would probably go up before Shaquille's and Doc Buss doesn't have to raise it up there but when it all said and done, it will be retired. Especially if dude has been elected to the Hall of Fame. If he's got his HOF plaque and ring, and his jersey still isn't hanging up in Staples, mostly everyone will come down on Doc Buss.

Why will everyone come down on Buss?....Buss isnt the one who said "pay me MF" and trash talked the city. Its very understandable if Shaq's number doesnt go up.

[Killakobe81]

Top playoff PER (the real season) min. 100 games played (eliminates the Wades and Stoudemires whose sample sizes are way too small):


1. Michael Jordan* 28.59
2 Shaquille O'Neal 26.17
3 Tim Duncan 25.74
4 Hakeem Olajuwon* 25.69
5 Dirk Nowitzki 24.65
6 Charles Barkley* 24.18
7 Jerry West* 23.06
8 David Robinson* 23.02
9 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 23.01
10 Magic Johnson* 22.95
11 Wilt Chamberlain* 22.77
12 Kobe Bryant 21.94
13 Elgin Baylor* 21.83
14 Larry Bird* 21.41

When we list our top tens in these forums and such, it usually looks something like this:

MJ
Kareem
Russell
Magic
Bird
Wilt
Duncan/Shaq
Hakeem
Kobe/Oscar/West

Maybe ironclad is too strong a word, but there is a strong correlation between fan and expert opinion and what the stats tell us, you can't deny that. Now of course there's flaws. Magic and Bird are lower on the list because PER is somewhat biased against assists and Kareem places low because he's had such a long career, his later lower numbers bringing down his overall average. Dirk is quite high, but he also has the least amount games played and if 06 and 07 went differently with the Mavs winning back-to-back, we'd likely be placing Dirk in the top ten.

PER also doesn't factor in defense. But for the most part, it's a valid tool to use in conjunction with observation.

Would you rather all discussions be distilled down to "I saw him play and I say he's the greatest!"

Tell me your issue with PER?

And don't say because it doesn't factor in intangibles, I realize that, which is why we can adjust the list and shuffle the players around accordingly.

after you got rid of ironclad I'm cool ..BUT a good list the order just sucks ...

[Killakobe81]

magic as you admitted way too low ...dirk over magic david over /bird LMAO

[bostonguy]

Maybe I am off for saying this, but is Shaq the type of person that if you kissed his ass and stroked his ego especially to the media that you would be on his good side.


I have never met Shaq personally but I was told while he was a Laker, he would go to poor areas of LA around Xmas time with a trailer full of toys to hand out. Laker fans, did he really do that?

[Killakobe81]

Maybe I am off for saying this, but is Shaq the type of person that if you kissed his ass and stroked his ego especially to the media that you would be on his good side.


I have never met Shaq personally but I was told while he was a Laker, he would go to poor areas of LA around Xmas time with a trailer full of toys to hand out. Laker fans, did he really do that?

He was GREAT in the community no doubt about it ...just bad with women, management and #2 superstars ....LOL

[TheMACHINE]

I have never met Shaq personally but I was told while he was a Laker, he would go to poor areas of LA around Xmas time with a trailer full of toys to hand out. Laker fans, did he really do that?

If it wasnt caught on tape or a press conference about the donation didnt occur, then it didnt happen.

[milkshakeballa]

If it wasnt caught on tape or a press conference about the donation didnt occur, then it didnt happen.

This. Ye he did stuff for the community. But ALL players do. ESPECIALLY in front of the cameras.