Yeah, I must have imagined Dragic, a bench player, letting the team up in the 2nd half of game three. Plus, wasn't it their bench that kept on erasing our double-digit leads in the second quarter?
Well for one, try other means to get better on the wing.. Draft? Trade other pieces in the Spurs?
Why must we always want to trade Parker? Why not Jefferson?
By trading Parker to get better on the wing is just trading weaknesses with other weaknesses.. Unless we can get some one like Odom who can play both Wing and PG position and can offset Manu of the the PG duties and keep him fresh for the playoffs.
Getting swept by Suns is not just a Wing issue. It's more than that. It's more a bench issue, that we do not have so many serviceable pieces that can play with Suns' bench without getting the starters fatigued, and honestly we just have a huge liability in Jefferson.
Yeah, I must have imagined Dragic, a bench player, letting the team up in the 2nd half of game three. Plus, wasn't it their bench that kept on erasing our double-digit leads in the second quarter?
Hill is a much better defender then parker yall must of forgot that hill blocked shots this season something tony p can't do, but with that being said we would be dumb for trading parker to the knicks.
The problem for me always returns to the few players I would accept in return for Parker are on teams that would not be interested in such a transaction.
The suns Big 3 outplayed the spurs Big 3, that's why we got swept. Tim played 31 mpg the lowest of his career, manu was at his best at the end of the season, neither wore down like you say. Our bench was not our main problem, it needs to be upgraded but i can't say the bench cost us a single game against PHX.
call it the broken nose or the defense or whatever but manu was definitely not the same against phoenix... again a better tony parker would have helped.. i understand that, but he just couldn't find a consistent amount of playing time all season long to sustain any kind of rhythm.
Not having a consistent parker during the season wore duncan down in the regular season,(everyone saw this, especially the last 3 months of the seasons.. the first 2 games against dallas he was fine.. coming off 6 days rest) and even though pop didn't cave in and still played duncan a career low minutes... if we had a better bench we still could have finished a 2 seed instead of a 7. way to many games we lost because of the ty ass players we had on the floor and an unfamiliar RJ.
It wasn't so much our bench losing us the series.. since we really didn't have one, but more of the suns bench having such a great series. They are proof that a good bench can do wonders for you.
remember game 3... nash and amare didn't even play the 4th quarter or something...
Well, only because his perimeter shot wasn't falling as accurately. It's not like he wasn't giving it his all as usual and playing the game like he always does. They crowded the paint and his pick and rolls and attacking the rim became pretty tough, ultimately he had to knock down outside shots consistently to open up his driving game more but it didn't happen. His level of play did not drop, he played well he simply couldn't make from outside, it was just a streaky shooter's slump (much like Lebron lately with his jumpshooting, although he's sustained an injury like Manu it isn't know to what extent it's actually limiting the results, like Manu's nose. Well also Lebron isn't playing as aggressively as he should, but Manu's aggression never left).
The reason why Suns Big 3 outplayed the Spurs Big 3 is because the Spurs depend so much on the Big 3 winning the games, whereas the role players contribute very little.
I would assume Suns Big 3 are Amare, Nash and Richardson. Then how do you explain Fyre going off for 15 in Game 2 and Dragic torching us for 26 points in Game 3?
Actually the unsung hero in the Suns' team is probably Grant Hill. It's more than just Suns Big 3. Given Suns Big 3 without the contribution from the role players and the bunch, I think Suns can't beat the Spurs. It's the Bench and their role players that make the intangible differences.
by no means am i putting it on him. just stating the obvious. it could have been because of multiple reasons. But again he had to carry a lot of slack torward the end of the regular season with tony out and duncan wearing down tremendously. its not on him.
and again, if we had a better bench and a healthy tony parker would have fixed this problem... along with duncan wearing down before the playoffs.
Frye had one good game, Dragic one good game, Grant Hill was solid. But Bonner gave us 11 in game 3 and 14 in game 4. RJ had a 18 point game. Game 2 and 4 George Hill gave us 14 and 17 so it's not like guys outside the big 3 did nothing. Guys from both teams stepped up, with the exception of the 4th quarter in game 3 it was Nash, Richardson, and Amare leading the suns to victory.
trader parker RJ + right to splitter or 1st round pick this yr for cp3 and okafor, spurs will be contender for years
I don't think you want to compare Bonner's good games versus Suns' bench, a.k.a Frye and Dudley. Bonner has proved to be a liability in post season. George Hill only gives us 14 and 17 when he was not starting.
If you look at the demographics, Suns have so many weapons that could have killed us in the 4th quarter. Spurs probably have 4 guys in the 4th who can deliver when it really matters - Manu, Duncan, Parker and prob GHill. You can't honestly put in Jefferson, Bonner when it really counts.
Honestly to me, this Suns' team will go the distance. They won't be swept by the Lakers. They potentially can steal 2 or 3 games off.
both frye and dudley shot over 50% from 3 in the series. the kind of shooting the spurs need. not to mention dudley changed the complexion of almost every game coming off the bench.
we had mason and bonner in there sucking a .
But I also never thought you were putting it on him, what I'm simply saying is his level of play didn't necessarily drop off, his outside jumper just wasn't falling.
The Suns bench played better defense than the Spurs and their guys just got red-hot.
Duncan looked tire out there which is understandable since he's aging, doesn't play that many minutes in the regular season, and for the past two seasons Duncan has been paired with a perimeter big instead of someone that can help in the paint.
Parker was injured, Manu was injured and seemed to lose confidence in his shot as well.
this.
I think he was the key!
I'm amazed at how few praises he received after this series...
His D was outstanding and he is so clutch...
Each time after a critical timeout, they gave him the ball and he hit his mid-range jumper...
And the guy is 37 and wasn't supposed to play BB again...
+ he is classy
Parker says he wants to stay
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/s..._93647459.html
Manu (and Tony) both looked worse because we didn't have anyone who could hit a three pointer to save their lives.
Jefferson was afraid to take the corner three and stepped inside the line, ruining spacing. Bonner is a choke artist, Mason was standing out their brading his dreads. That really didn't leave anyone to hit a big bucket and open up the spacing on the offensive end.
Phoenix employed the Lakers D of old - pack in the paint and make them beat you from outside. We couldn't do it.
All the more reason why scrubs like Mason and Bonner shouldn't be in the silver and black when the season starts.
you're exactly right. spurs always used to surround duncan with shooters and this year we didnt have any... and manu struggling with the 3 ball really hurt us.
That straightaway brings to minds these few:
Jaren Jackson
Sean Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Lu ck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_
Stephen Jackson
Steve Kerr
Boones
Bowen
Brent Barry
Danny Ferry
This year we have all the non-clutch players:
Roger Mason
Bonner
Bogans
The only one who can shoot 3 outside of the Big 3 is probably Hill..
.. Finley being in the team is still better
Exactly, and I fear we won't resolve the problem unless Tony becomes reliable at the 3 and Hill keeps getting better...
A big man AND a reliable (PO!) 3pts shooter a our top2 priorities this summer...
Since Gallinari and Chandler play the same position, and Galli is D'Antoni's boy, Chandler is the most expendable and fits the our team the most. He's a budding star and can be molded into that perimeter defender we need.
Also, to putting all our chips on hoping Splitter is gonna come in and put up numbers like Scola and be a factor like Scola is one of a "what if?"
Lee on the other hand is a proven 10 board guy, gritty defender and can mix it up with a post up and face up game and can hit the 10-15 footer. Players like this are the real steals. You know what your getting.
It would take a lot of work, but if Lee's entertaining the idea of the T'Wolves, im sure he'd more then love to come here. S&T Lee, Chandler and allocation money for Parker and S&T Jefferson who im sure would love to get back to the NY/NJ area (where he still owns his apt) and he'd be playing for D'Antoni (most guys love that idea)
As for Parker, well i think we all know he'd love to go to NY, where he'd be seen as the second coming of John Starks instead of playing second fiddle to the Spurs fan base behind Manu and Tim.
Last edited by KyuuiMusikq; 07-03-2010 at 06:16 PM.
as far as putting better big man next to Duncan - Splitter will provide that, not to mentioned an improved Blair and Dice in his 2nd season - I dont see much issue with front court
As far as trading TP for wing just can't get proper value in return - more likely to get equal value trading Hill for wing - but again I think we have a good chance of being improvement from last year regardless of what happens with RJ
In the end just don't see much reason/incentive to move TP unless you know from negotiations we have no chance of extending/resigning/or S&T then you may go ahead and pull trigger even on a questionable deal just so you get something for TP
Tiago. Milicic or Scola? Nobody knows. Blairs only gonna be around for 5 years or so before he burns out.
@ David Lee being a gritty defender and having a good post game..
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