Why would you prefer that he's gone? I'd understand it from Holt's POV as he'll have less to pay, but as a fan and from a basketball perspective, RJ opting out makes the Spurs worse, with no money to get a replacement.
i like rj as a person, and im sure he wants what is best for both him and the spurs, but hed have to be either a stupid mother er or not your typical capitalist or he has enough money type guy to ETO his way out of 15 mil to make MLE money on another team.
he'll stay in SA and continue to make well over $1M per PPG.
What do you mean, we have all the money we were wasting on him to spend.
anybody knows when is the last moment when he can exercise his option for the last year ?
Because is just from that moment that we'l have the chance to decide what to do with the cap space left or with the trade asset he could became.
I'm sure in this moment he's already talking with our F.O. and with his agent about the better decision to take for himself and the team.
If he exercise his option and stays, and we don't find a trade partner for something that could be a better fit for our team, expecially on defense (example, Andre Iguodala or something like Jamison + A. Parker) an extension for, say, three years at 6 million each could make sense.
Expecially considering that usually in the second year with our team, wing players usually play a lot better than in the first year...
God, let it be.
Nope - even without his $15 mil on the books, we'd still be above the salary cap, so no money to spend, apart from MLE, LLE and min.
No, the Spurs are still over the cap with him off the books therefore can't use any of that.
next year, spurs are committed for 66 millions rj included...
if rj doesn'tb exercise his option, we'll be committed for just 51 millions.
the cap is more than 54 millions ... so if he don't exercise his option, we are under the cap...
Not that I put any credence in this report, but if RJ truly wanted to play in another system, the smartest thing to do would be to threaten to opt-out unless the Spurs traded him. It'd be the best thing for all parties:
1. Spurs get some talent in return (though who knows what they'd get for RJ's expiring at this point).
2. Spurs get to save face by saying RJ forced their hand (hopefully this would come out AFTER the trade, for the sake of #1).
3. RJ gets to play in a new system.
4. RJ gets to make his $15.2 million, considerably more than he would get in the open free agent market.
Correct...between Tim, Manu, Tony, McDyess, Hill, and Blair, the Spurs are committed to $50.97 million. They also have non-guaranteed contracts for Gee, Jerrells, Temple, and Hairston. If they drop all of those non-guaranteed players, and relinquish all rights to all of their free agents, then with a projected cap of $56.1 million, they will have about $5.1 million below the cap to play with. However, teams below the cap do not get the MLE, which last year was $5.854 million. So, they would gain absolutely nothing basketball-wise by RJ opting out.
Really? Could we help him
RJ opting out will officially end the TD era, from a 'winning les' standpoint anyway. Not to be overly dramatic or anything
no, that ended this year (or maybe when manu got injured in 08, depending on how you look at it), we don't have a chance at les anymore with or without RJ.
the best spurs fans can root for now is the continuation of the 50 win season streak.
After this season I really can't believe other teams will fork over that amount of money for RJ. I could see it in the range of 4.5 - 6.5 but not much more. Anyway he has a bird in hand so why look for those two in the bush? He needs to be in another system for sure but walking on 15M with the assumption that he will get a 4 year deal worth 40-45M is pretty speculative.IMHO
Wanting him to go is one thing but for nothing? Now that's another issue all together.
Agreed. Get something in return.
That's why you trade him rather than hope that he walks. It's in his hands so he could walk and the Spurs will get screwed.
Do you see the Spurs letting Gee, Jerrells, Temple and Hairston all walk? That would really hurt their minor league system and make them start from scratch again. Those are their most talented players. That makes no sense. So essentially they're scrapping the fruits of their system in order to free up money - 5.1M - to sign who to replace RJ?
And how much is Splitter going to cost? Might be better to keep RJ and be over the cap and offer Tiago most if not all of the MLE and then trade RJ's expiring next year while developing some of their younger talent to eventually replace RJ.
No, I don't expect them to let all those guys go. I was just carrying the argument to the point of absurdity, pointing out that even if RJ opts out and the Spurs did absolutely everything in their power to get under the cap, they would end up having LESS to spend than if they just stayed over the cap and used their MLE.
In the end, I expect them to keep 1-3 of those young guys, with 2 being a pretty good bet. My guess would be Temple and the training camp winner between Gee and Hairston.
My guess is Splitter will cost the full MLE. There's a slight chance that the Spurs can get him to accept a starting salary of $4 mil per year, but I think both the Spurs and Splitter know that they can't afford to low-ball him and let him walk.
Exactly.
Are you kidding they are four to five teams that have hardly any payroll next year. Alot of teams have shed their teams payroll and contract players in hopes of getting one of the All Stars and all five are not all going to get them.
Thanks for your input. And the question was a rhetorical one and not aimed at you. Your point about absurdity is well taken since that would gut the Toros and their plans at present for developing new talent. And Temple has shown signs of being a decent backup PG while Gee is a terrific athlete with much promise.
And I believe you're correct about Splitter. This team can't afford to low ball him. His services are absolutely needed to help out TD unless he can be bundled with another player, hopefully RJ, and traded for that big the Spurs need. This team ABSOLUTELY MUST HAVE A BIG AT 5 in order to get back to the finals. Playing TD with undersized 5s isn't going to cut it. IMHO
He'd be the dumbest mofo in the history of dumb mofos not to cash in on that 15 mil left and go elsewhere for 10 mil or so less next season. Pop could have sex with his mother and he'd still be back to cash in. He's not going anywhere.
RJ would be lucky to get a 3 year $15 million contract. He is not opting out.
Actually, I think THIS year, RJ could probably get a contracting starting around 7-8 mil a year. After this year it'll probably drop to 5-6 mil or less. This is purely due to the abundance of teams that cleared cap space. Salaries given out in free agency are going to be inflated this offseason.
If he drops to 7 mil this year, that's 8 mill he loses out on, but if he's making 2-3 mill more a year than if he got a contract next year, he just needs a 3-4 year contract to make up the difference.
The only reason I could see this as possible is if he thinks that another year of looking bad on the Spurs will significantly reduce his chances of getting a good contract the next summer.
It's always been said that a player needs a year to get used to the system, so i wouldn't mind seeing him back for next season. As bad as he's been, the Spurs got him for Oberto, Thomas, and a retired Bruce Bowen. He hasn't been great, but he makes the Spurs a better team.
I agree JaG.
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