Lost - The Final Season

[rAm]

I know man, but the reasons stated that "too many things were unbelievable" and nit picking details that seem unrealistic are a pretty stupid reason (in my opinion) to hate on a show that through its six years has had a ing smoke monsters on a mysterious uncharted island chasing people who see dead people. You'd think that through those six years they would have learned to suspend disbelief just for a second. Did they expect Jacob to explain the laws of physics that make time travel possible and allowed MIB to turn into the black version of a spider man villain?

It wasn't all unexplainable, Have you read any of the theories people came up throughout the show? Some of those were amazing to read, they tied in 95% of everything that ever happened in the show.

Instead it was explained as a light that held all of the good in the world, here drink this water and you will know all, but the viewer won't. Oh and they all meet up in a church and walk through the doors to heaven. That's ing lazy right there.

[MannyIsGod]

It wasn't all unexplainable, Have you read any of the theories people came up throughout the show? Some of those were amazing to read, they tied in 95% of everything that ever happened in the show.

Nice - maybe they should go write their own network shows since they're so good at it? Maybe they can critique more writers on how their work SHOULD have been written.

Instead it was explained as a light that held all of the good in the world, here drink this water and you will know all, but the viewer won't. Oh and they all meet up in a church and walk through the doors to heaven. That's ing lazy right there.

Completely lazy. They probably wrote it in 15 minutes on a piece of toilet paper while taking a .

[rAm]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Lost was based on science the same way Star Trek and Star wars are based on science. I completely understand why some of you are butt hurt now. You think smoke monsters are based on science. You know what happens if this series is based on science? THEY ALL ING DIE IN THE PILOT.



LOL.

You missed the point. The show claimed all of this about time travel, and scientists researching an anomaly, and multiple parties throughout the world interested in this island because it held a strange property?

Then they continue to build the mystery for several more seasons just to wait till the very end to explain everything with magic?

Star Trek and Star Wars were pretty damn accurate to the "known facts of science" at the time they came out, and they still managed to create character arcs and finish them without ting all over the series and it's fans.

[EmptyMan]

There is NO DOUBT the writers dropped the ball with the potential of this series. They have even admitted it. Remember in season 1 when they promised everything could be explained metaphysically or whatever the term is for somewhat theoretical scientific reasoning. Fast forward a few years and we get a glowing stream that looked straight out of a B-Move Sci-Fi channel Saturday night special? C'mon LOST.

[rAm]

Nice - maybe they should go write their own network shows since they're so good at it? Maybe they can critique more writers on how their work SHOULD have been written.



Completely lazy. They probably wrote it in 15 minutes on a piece of toilet paper while taking a .

Or maybe the writer's should just spend some time finishing off their masterpiece instead of claiming the entire show has been about the characters in the first place just so they don't have to actually tie it all in.

Do you remember any of the other re-cap episodes besides the final one? They went over all the weird mysteries and plot twists that got the characters to where they were at the time of the re-cap. The final one focused just on the characters just so people wouldn't be as angry when they didn't even try to explain anything. Wasn't the promo, ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED ?

[MannyIsGod]

You missed the point. The show claimed all of this about time travel, and scientists researching an anomaly, and multiple parties throughout the world interested in this island because it held a strange property?

Then they continue to build the mystery for several more seasons just to wait till the very end to explain everything with magic?

I'm not even sure why I'm arguing with you about this. I'm bored at the office but its an unwinnable argument. You think the island was the center of Lost - I don't. The Writers don't. I enjoyed the ending - sucks that you didn't. I think some of the reasons that people have for not liking it considering the context of Lost itself was scifi/fantasy.

Star Trek and Star Wars were pretty damn accurate to the "known facts of science" at the time they came out, and they still managed to create character arcs and finish them without ting all over the series and it's fans.

LOL That is just funny as .

[MannyIsGod]

Or maybe the writer's should just spend some time finishing off their masterpiece instead of claiming the entire show has been about the characters in the first place just so they don't have to actually tie it all in.

Do you remember any of the other re-cap episodes besides the final one? They went over all the weird mysteries and plot twists that got the characters to where they were at the time of the re-cap. The final one focused just on the characters just so people wouldn't be as angry when they didn't even try to explain anything. Wasn't the promo, ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED ?

The entire show has been about the characters. Thats why you would get a "jack episode" or a "locke episode" or a "mr. ecko" episode or a "jacob and MIB episode or a "ben" episode or a "desmond and penny" episode.

[rjv]

It wasn't all unexplainable, Have you read any of the theories people came up throughout the show? Some of those were amazing to read, they tied in 95% of everything that ever happened in the show.

Instead it was explained as a light that held all of the good in the world, here drink this water and you will know all, but the viewer won't. Oh and they all meet up in a church and walk through the doors to heaven. That's ing lazy right there.

exactly. it's almost as if they were going to try to create a more complex version of what consciousness may be, about parallel universes and multiple realities. they brought in daniel hawking for that very reason. now i don't want to go this far but were they saying that since daniel does not leave the sideways reality with desmond that science has no place there at this time? is that why all attempts at science on the island failed? because faith trumps science? fine, but then at least stay with the mystery then. do not suddenly abandon it.

[rAm]

I'm not even sure why I'm arguing with you about this. I'm bored at the office but its an unwinnable argument. You think the island was the center of Lost - I don't. The Writers don't. I enjoyed the ending - sucks that you didn't. I think some of the reasons that people have for not liking it considering the context of Lost itself was scifi/fantasy.

They ended the character's story fine, if you like sappy after-death re-unions in a "church" at the door to "heaven". I mean seriously?

It's not like I fell in love with the island and it's the center of the show for me. Every single thing in this show was based on the island, or around the island, or in the island, or about the island. Find me one thing that wasn't.

And then to show me a stream of glowing piss and have the man-in-black created out of it because his brother through him down there? That is the big ing mystery? It's bad storytelling, and you can prop them up for finishing off the character's story all you want, but they on the other half of the show. If I wanted to watch a drama about castaway's on an island I would be a Survivor fan.

You enjoyed the ending because you are a simple man who was spoon fed a sappy ending, and you accepted it.

[rAm]

exactly. it's almost as if they were going to try to create a more complex version of what consciousness may be, about parallel universes and multiple realities. they brought in daniel hawking for that very reason. now i don't want to go this far but were they saying that since daniel does not leave the sideways reality with desmond that science has no place there at this time? is that why all attempts at science on the island failed? because faith trumps science? fine, but then at least stay with the mystery then. do not suddenly abandon it.

Yep, like why even have this scene:

[rjv]

and as to this "place" they created ben does not enter yet because he is in a limbo, still dealing with all the sins he committed. but sayid who murdered people has no problem. at least be theologically consistent as well.

[MannyIsGod]

They ended the character's story fine, if you like sappy after-death re-unions in a "church" at the door to "heaven". I mean seriously?

It's not like I fell in love with the island and it's the center of the show for me. Every single thing in this show was based on the island, or around the island, or in the island, or about the island. Find me one thing that wasn't.

I'll find you tons:

Sawyers Demons, Jacks relationship with his father, Ben's inability to find a purpose in life, Locke's demons with his father, Sun/Jin's falling in love and out of love and in love again, Kate's checkered past, Charlie's drug addiction, Clairs indecision over her baby, Mr. Ecko's family relationships and how he delt with them and I could go on and on and on and on.

The show was not about the island but about the problems people had and how they delt with them. In many cases the unique situation on the island either exacerbated these problems or situations and provided ways for them to come out but they were never about the island.

And then to show me a stream of glowing piss and have the man-in-black created out of it because his brother through him down there? That is the big ing mystery? It's bad storytelling, and you can prop them up for finishing off the character's story all you want, but they on the other half of the show. If I wanted to watch a drama about castaway's on an island I would be a Survivor fan.

You enjoyed the ending because you are a simple man who was spoon fed a sappy ending, and you accepted it.

I'll take being a happily entertained simple man rather than being some kind of emo guy on the internet who is upset because someone telling a story didn't end it the way he wanted it. I don't know about you, but prime time network TV - whats on before Lost again? Dancing with the Stars? - isn't the place I go for deep but I'm sure you're FAR more well read than this simple man.

[rAm]

the show was not about the island but about the problems people had and how they delt with them.

on the island that they were stranded on

[MannyIsGod]

on the island that they were stranded on

And how exactly does that make the location the central theme?

[rjv]

Yep, like why even have this scene:

you are adding to our point. LOST at this point is giving reason to the mysteries but in the end it abandoned it and it even abandoned trying to explain the mystery of the island altogether.

like when jacob tells kate 'it's just a line of chalk through a name'.

[MannyIsGod]

I get that your upset that they didn't explain things the way you wanted, but they did explain things. You can't keep saying they didn't explain things because what you really mean is they didn't explain things in a way that was satisfactory to you. That's cool and that's entirely your prerogative to feel that way.

[rAm]

I wasn't watching the show for a central theme, and neither were you. You watched it because there was cool going down, not because of Sawyer's relationship with kate, GMAFB.

[rAm]

I get that your upset that they didn't explain things the way you wanted, but they did explain things. You can't keep saying they didn't explain things because what you really mean is they didn't explain things in a way that was satisfactory to you. That's cool and that's entirely your prerogative to feel that way.

Explain it to me then big guy.

[MannyIsGod]

I wasn't watching the show for a central theme, and neither were you. You watched it because there was cool going down, not because of Sawyer's relationship with kate, GMAFB.

Explain it to me then big guy.

Man, the finale really has you upset. You're so deep yet you weren't looking for a central theme? You mean to tell me you watched it for "cool going down" and you called me simple?

I watched it because as far as TV storytelling goes, Lost was the best thing on network TV since the West Wing finished. Nothing else even came close to being as good as this was. There have been better shows, but they've been on HBO or Showtime.

If you're looking for explanations read this thread again. Start with Exstatics Bardo post. I understand that you think this makes it sappy and worthless, but I'm pretty sure that the meaning of life is still one of the tougher subjects for philosophers.

[rAm]

Man, the finale really has you upset. You're so deep yet you weren't looking for a central theme? You mean to tell me you watched it for "cool going down" and you called me simple?

I watched it because as far as TV storytelling goes, Lost was the best thing on network TV since the West Wing finished. Nothing else even came close to being as good as this was. There have been better shows, but they've been on HBO or Showtime.

The acting across the board was pretty horrible. There were a few exceptional ones (TO'Q, Ben, Desmond) but the majority were bad actors. The thing that made the show amazing was the setting, plot, and themes.

So they all over the plot and half the setting to comply to a theme and make everyone feel good about themselves that all the characters got back together in the end. Be happy with that, I'm not.

Leaving work, to be continued..

[MannyIsGod]

I don't know how the you can say this show wasn't character driven. Even if you bring up the Island, the obvious answer to that is that the island was a character at times itself in this series.

[Stringer_Bell]

Actually, I really don't think that clip contradicts anything or feels unresolved. It was totally resolved.

Also, too many arguments I've seen against LOST have ended in me saying "You've been doing it wrong." Meaning, you have been watching it wrong. That sucks, those people must feel terrible for all that wasted time. I think there will be enough information to piece everything together on the Blu Ray for everyone else, other than Walt/Degroots/Alvar answers...I'm good yo.

[ElNono]

It's silly to try to pretend that the island and it's wicked properties didn't play a center role in the series. You're telling me that you would have enjoyed the show just as much if they were lost in a zoo in Zimbabwe?

The donkey wheel, time travel, the inability to have children there, all the egyptian artifacts throughout the island, the pockets of electromagnetism, the inability to find or leave the island unless you follow specific directions, etc. They even built a character, Desmond, that basically was special because he was somehow immune to a lot of that stuff.

As grand was the resolution of all the characters in the show, the resolution of the island, another central character, was kind of an afterthought. And it's sad because they had basically three seasons to do a better job.

I'm personally not angry at anybody, and I thought the ending was good. But they could have done a much better job closing the island arc, and I'm disappointed that they did not.

[MannyIsGod]

The acting across the board was pretty horrible. There were a few exceptional ones (TO'Q, Ben, Desmond) but the majority were bad actors. The thing that made the show amazing was the setting, plot, and themes.

Lost has some of the best acting on TV. The casting of so many characters was great and I'm not sure how you can possibly complain about the acting. There's a reason Lost actors were consistently listed in the best actor catagories at both the Emmys and Golden Globes.

LOL at you saying the themes made it amazing and then ting all over the ending. Are you being serious?

So they all over the plot and half the setting to comply to a theme and make everyone feel good about themselves that all the characters got back together in the end. Be happy with that, I'm not.

Leaving work, to be continued..

Of course you're not happy with that: You're far too complex to be satisfied with such a simple subject as the one Lost decided to go after. I mean , there were smiling people in the end and BRIGHT LIGHT - what kind of person enjoys that? A simple one.

In all seriousness, how does one take a on a plot and setting? LOL You just said the themes were why you liked and then turn around and post that complying to a theme was a reason it sucked?

This thread has provided me almost as much entertainment as Lost has.

[MannyIsGod]

It's silly to try to pretend that the island and it's wicked properties didn't play a center role in the series. You're telling me that you would have enjoyed the show just as much if they were lost in a zoo in Zimbabwe?

The donkey wheel, time travel, the inability to have children there, all the egyptian artifacts throughout the island, the pockets of electromagnetism, the inability to find or leave the island unless you follow specific directions, etc. They even built a character, Desmond, that basically was special because he was somehow immune to a lot of that stuff.

As grand was the resolution of all the characters in the show, the resolution of the island, another central character, was kind of an afterthought. And it's sad because they had basically three seasons to do a better job.

I'm personally not angry at anybody, and I thought the ending was good. But they could have done a much better job closing the island arc, and I'm disappointed that they did not.

This is probably the best criticism I've read in this thread because its undeniable they left the island really open ended and there were a lot of unanswered questions.

That being said, you should have seen that coming from miles away. People who are upset suddenly after the finale on this level haven't been paying attention - at all.