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    It's impossible to compare these three players right now because of the minute discrepancy. As far as who I think will turn out the best, Dragic = Roddy > Hill.
    Thats fair to say. Dragic and Roddy both have great people to learn from. Although Dragic gets to watch his mentor rape face in the playoffs while Roddy watched his get his ass handed to him.

    Dragic probably will never be the scorer Roddy is, but Roddy will never be the defender or passer Dragic is.
    Im not sure how good a defender Dragic is, but Roddy has the potential to be a very good defender, and he showed flashes of it this year.

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    lol 4-2

    lol roddy beaubois overrated

    lol mavs

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    If Dragic ever develops consistent aggression and confidence, he could be better than both. On the flip side, if he never recovers from the bad habits he's developed playing with Barbosa, he'll be a taller, more athletic JJ Barea.

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    As DoK said, Beaubois needs consistent minutes before you can say how good he really is.

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    Except for the fact that Dragic and Roddy actually create and make things happen. Hill just sits in the corner and shoots 3s, or lets someone get into the lane, gets a pass and tosses a wide open floater due to having others create for him. But I haven't seen very much ability from Hill to be able to create for himself, or to create for others.
    Dragic and Roddy are much better at creating. Hill is esentially a 2-guard. Roddy is a 2-guard that can create, but he's more scoring oriented. Roddy is a good defender, but he can't defend larger/longer players...Dragic and Hill can. All three can take guys 1-on-1. It's stupid to say that anything those guys showed this past season says one of them >>>>>>>>>> other.

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    There is no future to the Mavs/Spurs rivalry. Mavs will open a 6 year window with LeBron... Spurs will be Duncanless once his contract goes up.

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    I like Roddy I scored 89 points with him in 5 minute quarters on nba live

    dragic>hill is a joke

    if george hill was as fast as roddy then he would be as good on offense but george hill is still all around better player to me I think roddy will do some stupid things and stupid shots in the future for the mavs hes out of control alot but I never seen a guy as quick as him not even tony parker was that quick so thats pretty scary but I think he will be a 15 ppg player for his career while hill could possibly be the same

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    If Dragic ever develops consistent aggression and confidence, he could be better than both. On the flip side, if he never recovers from the bad habits he's developed playing with Barbosa, he'll be a taller, more athletic JJ Barea.
    The thing i really like about Dragic is he's starting to do a lot of the little things that Nash does. The way he uses screens and curls around his own guy is textbook Nash. He's also starting to pass out of the pick 'n roll much like nash does.

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    The thing i really like about Dragic is he's starting to do a lot of the little things that Nash does. The way he uses screens and curls around his own guy is textbook Nash. He's also starting to pass out of the pick 'n roll much like nash does.

    Unfortunately he's also starting to chuck stupid threes, stand in one spot dribbling while the shot clock runs down, lose control while he dribbles into traffic, and make stupid decisions on defense. All lovely habits he's picked up from Barbosa.

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    Unfortunately he's also starting to chuck stupid threes, stand in one spot dribbling while the shot clock runs down, lose control while he dribbles into traffic, and make stupid decisions on defense. All lovely habits he's picked up from Barbosa.
    Those could just be bad habits of his own that he needs to take care of. I say this only because i don't know of anyone who aspires to be like Barbosa.

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    I actually like how Hill handles himself during big moments and important possessions. He's clutch when it comes to late game FT's, midrange J's, and threes. I was honest and gave roddy his props, sorry you want me to blow him.
    The only one you are blowing is Hill, giving him props for basically doing nothing but taking wide open shots. Big ing deal.

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    Or like him running full speed into a double team of tony parker and ginobili only to have the ball stripped from him. I dont care if parker caught him with an elbow to the face, why did he dribble into a double team at the 3-point line?
    Parker does like that plenty of times. It's what his speed and quickness and handling ability allows him to do: split doubles, which really s a defense up if done correctly. had parker not grabbed his hand, he most likely would have made it through and probably scored.

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    Hill is better. off!!!!!

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    Sons all I know is that a decent player does not lose minutes to JJ barea.

    roddy is a scrub.

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    pound for pound, inch per inch GHILL3 is better

    if you dont believe, check out his nakeds

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    Dragic and Roddy are much better at creating. Hill is esentially a 2-guard. Roddy is a 2-guard that can create, but he's more scoring oriented. Roddy is a good defender, but he can't defend larger/longer players...Dragic and Hill can. All three can take guys 1-on-1. It's stupid to say that anything those guys showed this past season says one of them >>>>>>>>>> other.
    All I've said is that Dragic and Roddy are >>>>>>> Hill when it comes to skill and potential. I've never said Hill sucks. He's just a very middle of the pack player. Doesnt suck at anything, but doesnt accel at anything either, and will probably never really be an All-Star type player. Goran and Roddy both have all-star and even All-NBA team potential.

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    playmaking, court vision, passing: Dragic > Roddy >>> Hill

    everything else: Roddy > Dragic > hill.

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    Beaubois >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hill

    I mean it's not even fair...

    Your the most objective spurs fan I know

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    Those could just be bad habits of his own that he needs to take care of. I say this only because i don't know of anyone who aspires to be like Barbosa.

    He doesn't aspire to be like Barbosa, playing next to Barbosa has begun to take that effect on him. The lineup of Dragic, Hill, Dudley, Amundson and Frye was great because they all shared the ball and found each other when one had a favorable matchup. Now with Barbosa instead of Hill they all rush to get their shots off because they're worried they won't get the ball back if they pass it.

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    I never said he wasn't a rookie.
    I never said he wouldnt improve.
    I never said he showed terrible composure.
    All you did was agree with me.

    He's still a rookie, so it's understandable that he'll be a little behind when it comes to remaining composed in big moments. Like dribbling the ball into Ginobili's hands in the 4th quarter of game 6.
    I think you've been pretty fair, but that play was CLEARLY a foul on Parker if you go back and watch it. Cuban was ing about it after the game too.

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    the only time Roddy got minutes to play vs the Spurs he on Hill, Parker and whomever tired to stop him in the entire squad... if it wasn't for Carslile I don't know if we would have won the series...

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    Dragic and Roddy are much better at creating. Hill is esentially a 2-guard. Roddy is a 2-guard that can create, but he's more scoring oriented. Roddy is a good defender, but he can't defend larger/longer players...Dragic and Hill can. All three can take guys 1-on-1. It's stupid to say that anything those guys showed this past season says one of them >>>>>>>>>> other.

    Can't agree with you on this one, Roddy's shown great defensive ability this year. You have to understand that this dude is a freak of nature. Do you know any other 6'2" player whose signature play is an alley-oop? He's got a 6-10 wingspan (that's right, 6-10) with a 40 inch vert (probably higher, as he was injured when he tested). Roddy's going to be a great defender. However, I don't ever see him being a great passer. I think he can be a 20ppg player.

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    playmaking, court vision, passing: Dragic > Roddy >>> Hill

    everything else: Roddy > Dragic > hill.

    Sorry but Dragic > Roddy defensively

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    the only time Roddy got minutes to play vs the Spurs he on Hill, Parker and whomever tired to stop him in the entire squad... if it wasn't for Carslile I don't know if we would have won the series...
    nvm... maybe your the most objective spurs fan i know

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