Israel attacks one of 6 ships bringing humanitarian aid to gaza

[temujin]

Learn english + debate and then we can talk, k champ?

You give orders to palestinians.
Not me.

[Shastafarian]

I wonder whether you can make the case of OTHER ships coming to the same shores some 65 years ago.

And which ships would those be?

You give orders to palestinians.
Not me.

I give orders to Palestinians?

Why are you afraid to debate the issues in this thread?

[spursncowboys]

Ridiculous.

I have long been a defender of Israel, but this attack is a monstrous war crime that the soldiers and those who gave them their orders should have to pay for.

It's wrong to board a boat full of unarmed people and summarily begin shooting them, unless they show violent intent to harm. I doubt that's the case at all here.

How else should they keep a lawful barracade?

[spursncowboys]

I don't feel like rehashing the entire argument. There was a thread about this a year or two ago that was tens of pages long in this forum that I posted several times to.

To make my position clearer, I defend a lot of actions that both sides take, and criticize a fair share as well.

I think they're unfortunately in a no-win situation thrust upon them by a group of nations that had no idea what it was doing when they meddled in the Middle East.

It's an extremely unfortunate situation without much of a real answer.

There is always an answer. It's probably not pc though. I think the problem came in the quick retreat of Brittan with their territory and not in the actual original colonization.

[spursncowboys]

balli=mel gibson

[temujin]

And which ships would those be?

That's exactly my point.

If you don't know the answer to that question, if you can't even figure out the similarities, you are nothing but propapanga.

There is absolutely nothing to learn from you, and I have no interest, time nor will to "debate" with propagandas.

[EmptyMan]

Personally I couldn't give two s which side wins but they just need to go all out and get it over with.

[Shastafarian]

That's exactly my point.

If you don't know the answer to that question, if you can't even figure out the similarities, you are nothing but propapanga.

There is absolutely nothing to learn from you, and I have no interest, time nor will to "debate" with propagandas.

Are you comparing Holocaust survivors to aid workers trying to pass a blockade?

[Shastafarian]

Propaganda!

lol He comes in and posts nonsense but doesn't have time to actually debate.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I'm not really stupid enough to think these dumbass activists weren't asking for trouble in order to get attention, but i certainly have no trust in the Israeli government. This whole "Jewish people can do no wrong" bull at ude the world has adopted out of guilt has gone long enough. The world needs to start taking a very close look at how Israel conducts itself. Hamas ain't the only religious nutjob organization in that conflict IMO.

[spursncowboys]

I'm not really stupid enough to think these dumbass activists weren't asking for trouble in order to get attention, but i certainly have no trust in the Israeli government. This whole "Jewish people can do no wrong" bull at ude the world has adopted out of guilt has gone long enough. The world needs to start taking a very close look at how Israel conducts itself. Hamas ain't the only religious nutjob organization in that conflict IMO.

aside from the us, what other un nation has come to the aid of israel?

[MaNuMaNiAc]

aside from the us, what other un nation has come to the aid of israel?

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by aid. Military? Public support?

I think its fair to say the US has done a remarkable job of arming Israel to the teeth, and for quite a few decades now, it hasn't been Israel who's been in need of military aid in that part of the world.

As for public support, I can't think of one other country that gets away with more unscrutinized questionable acts than Israel. Its as if all the powers of the world are content with taking Israel's word for everything (mainly because the US does so).

Now, I sympathize with Israel's situation, but that shouldn't be an excuse to do whatever the they want however the they want it.

[Shastafarian]

I'm curious what people think Israel should have done. Let them go by? Dismantle the blockade because some people say they're bringing in supplies that won't harm Israeli citizens? What should Israel have done?

[spursncowboys]

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by aid. Military? Public support?

I think its fair to say the US has done a remarkable job of arming Israel to the teeth, and for quite a few decades now, it hasn't been Israel who's been in need of military aid in that part of the world.

As for public support, I can't think of one other country that gets away with more unscrutinized questionable acts than Israel. Its as if all the powers of the world are content with taking Israel's word for everything (mainly because the US does so).

Now, I sympathize with Israel's situation, but that shouldn't be an excuse to do whatever the they want however the they want it.

How many days out of the year are their citizens attacked? How many of israel's neighbors "recognize" israel's right to exist? How many neighbors of theirs openly talk of destroying israel? It's not like they are in some kind of fairy tale war. they have to draft their citizens and arm themselves to survive.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

How many days out of the year are their citizens attacked? How many of israel's neighbors "recognize" israel's right to exist? How many neighbors of theirs openly talk of destroying israel? It's not like they are in some kind of fairy tale war. they have to draft their citizens and arm themselves to survive.

How exactly does this excuse them from accountability for their actions? Yeah, they have it rough. That doesn't mean they can do whatever they want. Its that kind of mentality that I disagree with.

"Poor Israel, they've had it rough. Let's not add insult to injury by actually asking questions and demand they be accountable for their actions"

Their situation buys them wide spread support, which I agree with. It does NOT buy them immunity.

[ElNono]

I'm curious what people think Israel should have done. Let them go by? Dismantle the blockade because some people say they're bringing in supplies that won't harm Israeli citizens? What should Israel have done?

Wait until the boats were in Israeli waters, at the very least?

[Ghazi]

Israel. I hope Iran wipes them off the map one day. This tiny little patch of greedy, en led s is causing half if not more of the world's international tension/disputes. 'em.

Why would Iran do that?

We are not a warmongering, bloodthirsty people like the Zionists.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Why would Iran do that?

We are not a warmongering, bloodthirsty people like the Zionists.

Your government is

[Shastafarian]

Wait until the boats were in Israeli waters, at the very least?

What does that accomplish?

Here's video released by Israel of the "peaceful" aid-workers

A total of seven soldiers were wounded - four soldiers were moderately wounded, of which two were initially in critical condition, as well as an additional three soldiers who were lightly wounded. Among the violent activists, there were nine casualties as a result of the soldiers defending themselves.

[ElNono]

What does that accomplish?

It gives you an actual valid justification for boarding the ships, civilian or not?

[Shastafarian]

It gives you an actual valid justification for boarding the ships, civilian or not?

I'm not following. They knew the ship was attempting to or going to attempt to break the blockade.

[Ghazi]

Israel- Where always having an excuse for killing innocent people happens.

[temujin]

Wait until the boats were in Israeli waters, at the very least?

The whole Mediterranean is Israeli's water, for that matter.
When it comes to "security measures" there is no such a thing as foreign country.
They proved it over and over again, sending killers around the globe to murder "terrorists".
In my country, that meant a couple of very moderate, intelligent palestinians, that had nothing to do with revolt or weapons.
Before Hamas.

Any country within 3000 miles can be bombed anytime, should the Isrealis decide so.
Within 3 hours.
Even with nuclear weapons.

There is no other country that is even remotely, vaguely as ready to attack as Israel, anytime.

Yet, they are still able to dispatch themselves as the poor little lamb surrounded by powerful wolves.

[Shastafarian]

Did you watch the video?

[Shastafarian]

The whole Mediterranean is Israeli's water, for that matter.
When it comes to "security measures" there is no such a thing as foreign country.
They proved it over and over again, sending killers around the globe to murder "terrorists".
In my country, that meant a couple of very moderate, intelligent palestinians, that had nothing to do with revolt or weapons.
Before Hamas.

Any country within 3000 miles can be bombed anytime, should the Isrealis decide so.
Within 3 hours.
Even with nuclear weapons.

There is no other country that is even remotely, vaguely as ready to attack as Israel, anytime.

Yet, they are still able to dispatch themselves as the poor little lamb surrounded by powerful wolves.

lol

Weren't you railing against propaganda? That's all you are.