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Well done. I particularly enjoyed the relative neutral standpoint in that article. Oh my bad. You didn't post anything other than another ad-hominem.I'm the one that's menstruating?
I can almost hear your voice breaking when you yell that.
shastafarian with his freud-esque psycho analysis at best. Please tell me more.
What more have you unearthed? I am curious to know.
Well done. I particularly enjoyed the relative neutral standpoint in that article. Oh my bad. You didn't post anything other than another ad-hominem.
I love the hate I'm inciting. Bring it jew boy.
Why are you trying to visualize me through an internet post? Stick to the facts and resort to your fantasies later.Well done. I particularly enjoyed the relative neutral standpoint in that article. Oh my bad. You didn't post anything other than another ad-hominem.
"IDF forces uncovered a cache of weapons including many knives, slingshots, rocks, smoke bombs, metal rods, improvised sharp metal objects, sticks and clubs, 5KG hammers, firebombs and gas masks"
yeah they were really gonna kill some Jews with that
Go ahead and post it. At least you'll contribute something to the discussion.
Classic. Are you trying to troll or are you just a natural at it? What facts have you presented?
By doing so, I would be going against the principles I stand by, it was sarcasm and maybe I need to do a better job of making it more apparent to the more rudimentary posters on this board.
Yeah...exactly why I said "at least you'll contribute something..." with emphasis on something. Do I need to explain that to you?it was sarcasm and maybe I need to do a better job of making it more apparent to the more rudimentary posters on this board.
I don't have a problem with jews, most of my friends are jewish back up north and I was just teasing DOK.
Yeah...exactly why I said "at least you'll contribute something..." with emphasis on something. Do I need to explain that to you?
There is no place for racism / descrimination in my book. I'll just call the stupid s out like I see them. Kind of like this is going now right? I hope things are getting more lucid. It has taken numerous replies for you to understand this premise.
You're pretty good at backtracking too. Still waiting on you to post an unbiased article.
The flotilla of "peace" activists was wrong to confront the Israeli Navy. The Israeli Navy was wrong in its response.
Ok Shasta, thats one free pass.
Lets not detract from the main argument which i will so generously bring up again.
You can't rely on Israel's picture to paint the picture, especially from a radical website, already spectators are questioning Israel's side of the story.
Before getting all the facts straight, hold of on your assumptions.
What we do know is the ship was in international waters and was attacks. Something that should be understood as wrong? Am i correct?
Witnesses cast doubt on Israel's convoy raid account
Eyewitness accounts from ships raided by Israeli commandos have cast doubt on Israel's version of events that led to the deaths of at least 10 people.
German pro-Palestinian activist Norman Paech said he had only seen wooden sticks being brandished as troops abseiled on to the deck of the ship.
Israel says its soldiers were attacked with "knives, clubs and other weapons" and opened fire in self defence.
The raid led to widespread condemnation and the UN has called for an inquiry.
The six ships, carrying aid and campaigners, had sailed from Cyprus in a bid to break Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip.
"This was not an act of self-defence," said Mr Paech, a politician, as he arrived back in Berlin wrapped in a blue blanket.
"Personally I saw two and a half wooden batons that were used... There was really nothing else. We never saw any knives.
"This was an attack in international waters on a peaceful mission... This was a clear act of piracy," he added.
Mr Paech had been a passenger on the Turkish passenger ship Mavi Marmara where most, if not all, of the deaths occurred.
Fellow German activist Inge Hoeger said they had been on the ships "for peaceful purposes".
"We wanted to transport aid to Gaza," she said. "No-one had a weapon."
She added: "We were aware that this would not be a simple cruise across the sea to deliver the goods to Gaza. But we did not count on this kind of brutality."
Activist Bayram Kalyon, arriving back in Istanbul, had also been a passenger on the Mavi Marmara.
"The captain... told us 'They are firing randomly, they are breaking the windows and entering inside. So you should get out of here as soon as possible'. That was our last conversation with him."
Diplomatic sources in Ankara have said at least four of those killed were Turkish. Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said the assault was a "bloody massacre" and must be punished. He said Israel should not test Turkey's patience.
UN criticism
Further criticism of Israel came from UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon on Tuesday.
In an interview with the AFP news agency he said Israel's blockade of Gaza was responsible for the deadly raid.
"Had Israelis heeded to my call and to the call of the international community by lifting the blockade of Gaza, this tragic incident would not have happened," he said.
Nato Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen called on Israel to release people and boats it had seized.
He spoke after an emergency meeting of Nato ambassadors in Brussels called by Turkey. Renewed violence broke out in Gaza on Tuesday, with five Palestinians reportedly killed by Israeli fire.
Two Palestinian gunmen were shot dead after crossing the border in the south of the territory, a military spokesman said.
Three more people died in an Israeli strike in the north of Gaza, according to Gaza's emergency services. Israel said it carried out an air strike after two rockets were fired from Gaza.
Following the Israeli sea-born raid, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak ordered the border crossing between Egypt and the Gaza Strip to be opened.
The Rafah crossing has been closed since 2007, although special medical cases are occasionally allowed through.
The Egyptian state news agency said the latest opening was to allow humanitarian aid through. It is not clear how long it will be kept open.
The UN Security Council issued a statement after deliberating through the night.
It said an investigation should be "prompt, impartial, credible and transparent". It also condemned the "acts" which led to the deaths.
LEGALITY OF CONVOY RAID
* The UN Charter on the Law of the Sea says only if a vessel is suspected to be transporting weapons, or weapons of mass destruction, can it be boarded in international waters. Otherwise the permission of the ship's flag carrying nation must be sought.
* The charter allows for naval blockades, but the effect of the blockade on civilians must be proportionate to the effect on the military element for the blockade to be legally enforceable.
* A ship trying to breach a blockade can be boarded and force may be used to stop it as long as it is "necessary and proportionate".
* The Israeli Defense Forces say soldiers acted in self-defence.
* An investigation, either by the UN or by the ship's flag-carrier Turkey, is required to find if the use of force was proportionate to a claim of self defence.
The Israeli Navy told them what port to go to have their cargo inspected.
pretty much darrins. Nice reply.
And I agree with this. Its the stupid re s Like DOK with their gaping mouth ready to take Israel's load in any time is what pissed me off.
Neither side can be vindicated. Which is why I have been hard on the pro israeli posters.
Israeli people are calling for Nat.'s resignation, because they too believe excessive force was used.
So can the biased posters on the board at least conceide that?
If his posts are so ridiculous, why do you keep responding to him instead of other people in the thread who are attempting to rationally discuss the situation?
at some point they needed to. But attacking in international waters is pretty much the WORST they could have done from a PR perspective.
Many people are just concious of the fact Israel takes away all the supplies that many good people donate for the ppl of ghaza.
Sook, are you a camel jockey?
I spent most of last night discussing it. I come to the thread today and see all the ad-hominem attacks.
I respond to terrorist sympathizing with blind Israeli sympathy. It's how I role, if you don't like it, then stop sympathizing with people who fly planes into buildings.
no
and its not fair to be portrayed as such if you don't vindicate israel in everything it does.
coming from someone who thinks Al jihada is a legitimate news source.
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