It brings us back to the question of Ging's credibility.
You made the assertion. I was asking you for something concrete.
If you Googled him enough to find his speech, you already know -- but if you really need it:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...ng-760096.html
That's a couple years old, but the most complete statement I have seen from him and subsequent quotes from him have been similar. I haven't seen any claims from Ging that Hamas is besieging Gaza at all. Please show me one, WC.
There is certainly a chance. Since Hamas is the elected government there, is any seizure or redistribution beyond its governmental powers? I personally don't know.
Sorry I don't have a press release stating why they have resumed shipments. All I have is Ging saying, while he was still just a senior official, that they wouldn't let the misdeeds of a few affect everyone in Gaza.
The UN certainly thought so.
So you have nothing but your assumption.
That's what I thought.
Thought what?
Were they right or wrong?
What do you have other than a le to a speech you haven't heard?
The UN certainly thought it was beyond their (Hamas) powers.Thought what?
Were they right or wrong?
now you are the one who isn't reading articles. There wasn't even a link to follow to read the entire thing. Classic.
Were they correct in thinking that?The UN certainly thought it was beyond their (Hamas) powers.
Oh my bad. I didn't realize that article was his speech.
According to whom?Were they correct in thinking that?
It isn't. That is your bad. Besides that, what are you not understanding here?
According to the law in Gaza. You know, where Hamas is the government and where the aid was.According to whom?
I wonder if you realize how good a poster you'd be if you weren't such a troll.
According to whom?
But your were saying he says Israel is to blame.
Yes, I saw that. Yet since the elections, Hamas has completely taken over Gaza, by force at several times even.
Didn't you know about the civil war between Hamas and Fatah? That's what I take the "medieval siege" to be.
This is a little over a year old, but shows his past words don't mean much:
Israel’s Humanitarian Aid in Gaza :
In preparation for the coming operation, The Israeli government sent 90 trucks worth of humanitarian aid goods into Gaza on Friday, December 26. Israel has been working around the clock with international and private aid organizations to ensure that the Palestinian civilians in Gaza are receving the food and medical supplies that they need.
On December 29 alone, Israel sent 63 trucks (1,545 tons) of humanitarian aid goods into the Gaza Strip including rice, yeast, flour, sugar and 64 tons of medical supplies. On December 31, 98 trucks and 2,366 tons of food and supplies were delivered in Gaza. On January 5, 80 trucks delivered goods to the area. On January 6, 49 trucks were sent into Gaza by means of the humanitarian unit of the IDF. 100 trucks and 500,000 liters of diesel fuel were sent in through the Kerem Shalom crossing on January 7.
Additionally, hundreds of thousands of liters of diesel fuel were pumped into Gaza on January 6 including fuel for the Gaza power station, UN facilities and domestic cooking fuel.
On Monday, January 12, Israeli security forces at the Kerem Shalom crossing caught a truck trying to smuggle electronic equipment into Gaza including infra-red cameras and computers. Electric equipment is not considered part of humanitarian aid although Israel has allowed certain electronics into Gaza in order to correct the city's electricity grid. As of January 15, Gaza's power grid was at 74% working capacity, up from 40% at the beginning of the operation.
On January 14 an El Al jumbo plane filled with 100 tons of medical and food supplies from UNICEF landed at Ben Gurion airport.
On Thursday, January 15, 170 trucks of humanitarian aid as well as 195,000 liters of fuel were sent into the area and on January 16, 135 truckloads were delivered. On these days combined, 3,790 tons of supplies were sent into Gaza.So many truckloads of aid have been sent in, in fact, that the World Food Programme took a two day recess from its food donations. The organization resumed its deliveries on Tuesday, January 6. The Gaza food warehouses are filled to capacity and are capable of lasting the citizens two weeks.On January 6 it was discovered that Hamas gunmen had opened their own hospital and were stealing a significant portion of medical supplies from the trucks that deliver humanitarian aid daily into Gaza. The medicine, of course, is intended for civilian hospitals and emergency medical care. By doing this Hamas is, yet again, denying its own civilian population the supplies that it desperately needs.
Similarly, Hamas gunmen are hiding themselves in civilian hospitals, particularly among the various maternity wards, attempting to find refuge from Israeli fire. This is just one more example showing that Hamas truly takes its people’s safety for granted.
For more on Hamas’s abuse of its citizens please see Hamas’s Human Shields
Although Israeli officials realize that Hamas is preventing aid supplies from reaching its intended point of delivery, on January 7 Israel began a “humanitarian recess” in which the IDF and IAF would stop its operation for three hours daily so that Gaza’s citizens could safely go into the streets to collect food and medical goods. Hamas gunmen were the first on January 7 to end the temporary ceasefire, firing dozens of rockets at Israel’s southern towns. The Israeli-enforced humanitarian corridors have continued each day as scheduled despite Hamas's refusal to cease rocket fire on the western Negev during the three-hour ceasefire.
On January 15, Israel decided to lengthen its daily humanitarian recess to four hours instead of three in order to allow more Gazans to get the supplies that they need. The decision to increase the time span of the pause came from Israel Joint Humanitarian Coordination Center (JHCC).Israel has made it clear that this operation is against Hamas armed forces and terrorist cells - not Palestinian civilians. The Israel Defense Forces is doing everything in their power to minimize the number of civilian casualties. The IDF has gone so far as to call apartment complexes in the Gaza Strip that are known to house Hamas forces and warn the civilian residents of coming airstrikes, allowing them enough time to evacuate the buildings. These warnings are given despite the fact that they tip off Hamas operatives.
While the Arab world might like to deny it, the Israel Defense Forces are conducting their operation in as humane a way as possible by both limiting civilian casualties and offering an extreme humanitarian aid effort in Gaza. Hamas, on the other hand, denies its own people aid and infringes on their security.Israel is helping the people caught in the middle of this. At the same time trying to stop the attacks on their country.Tensions continued to rise as Hamas and Fatah both pled with the international community not to give money to the other organization. Hamas does not want to give Mahmoud Abbas more power and the PA wishes to retain Hamas's weakened state. The organizations are fighting for control of Gaza including the authority to rebuild the area's infrastructure.
I'm not understanding how you think you've contributed anything to support your point. You referenced a speech from 2010 you hadn't heard nor read. To try and rectify it you post an article from 3 years ago even though "in 2010" is in the le of the speech you referenced. When I point out the man who made the speech has been ok with Hamas stealing thousands of tons of aid for the people of Gaza, you do circles.
According to the law in Gaza. You know, where Hamas is the government and where the aid was.
Pretty much everyone
Hmmm....
they lied to the people to get power, so the people try to take back the government, but are subdued by them.
I would say the people are under siege by Hamas.
It doesn't even matter how they came to power. He's actually asking if Hamas has made it ok for Hamas to seize aid.
Yes, that is what I am saying because that is what he said.
That's because you're an idiot.Didn't you know about the civil war between Hamas and Fatah? That's what I take the "medieval siege" to be.
I hear Kim Jong Il has made it legal to kill people for speaking out against his government. I guess the UN would be "incorrect" if they said that wasn't ok to do.
Knowing this is one thing, but seeing it animated...
How can these lib s be Hamas apologists. They make me sick. If I could revoke their citizenship and send them to Gaza, I would.
From Wild Cobra's original link.The United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) on Friday said it is suspending humanitarian aid in Gaza until further notice, after Hamas seized control of its warehouses and stole 200 tons of food and supplies...
A UN spokesman on Wednesday said Hamas police in Gaza broke into a warehouse full of UN humanitarian supplies and seized thousands of blankets and food packages, creating a rare public clash between the international agency that feeds much of the territory and the militant group that rules it...
"Hamas policemen stormed into an aid warehouse in Gaza City Tuesday evening and confiscated 3,500 blankets and over 400 food parcels ready for distribution to 500 families," said UNRWA spokesman Christopher Gunness on Wednesday.
"They were armed, they seized this, they took it by force," Gunness said, terming the incident absolutely unacceptable.
I mentioned what the le of his speech was, and then posted the most complete article i could find that articulated his views -- which to my understanding have not changed. Have you found any evidence that his views have changed?
Post them.
Actually, yes. I am not saying this is the reason the UN now says there were no thefts -- merely that it could be a possible explanation. As we currently have no hard evidence why shipments resumed, it seems to be that a clarification of Hamas' right to redistribute aid is as valid a theory as your assumption.
I am certainly open to the possibility that neither is correct.
That aid was seized is not in question.
You can disagree with a law. It's still the law.
If the UN merely decided it's ok for Hamas to continue seizing aid, that's what happened.
Is that what happened?
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