I would be too. It was pretty obvious from Day 1 that he had 1000000000000x more to offer than Dampier. For Haywood to be put on the bench behind the Big Vagina was re ed and insulting.
Step #1 will be Rick going to Haywood, Caron, and Roddy and apologizing for being a prick to them at some (or all) parts of the season. And admitting to the rest of the team he did a ty job coaching and promising to do better next season.
I don't see how Caron Butler has any respect for Carlisle whatsoever right now. Or really anyone else on the team besides JET and Barea.
After seeing the spurs get thrashed...this thing is worse than I thought
@ Donnie "We just ran into a buzzshaw in SA"
Every team turns into a "buzzsaw" when they face the Mavs in the playoffs.
Dumb way of looking at things. By similar logic the Hawks were closer to a le in 2008 than the Lakers. I'd still say the Mavs roster had a better shot of taking down the Lakers than the Suns, but we'll never know.After seeing the spurs get thrashed...this thing is worse than I thought
Mavs are just 1-2 pieces away.
D-Whistle away from a championship. Literally, a championship
Iggy or Johnson away from being a really good team.
Why don't you worry about you being a Vagina first and pay up your bet?
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...2&postcount=82
Allanon- There's a date and time on it if I edited it now. I can specifically find the post where I said he was a "role player" FIRST.
You take the bet or not you pussy ?
Mono - Ok I take that bet.
Allanon - I showed you where "role player" was. I won.
Change your sig to "I'm Allanon's ", Mono.
I'm thinking the Mavericks really need to consider trading for Al Jefferson. Reports say that they offered him for Tayshaun Prince straight up, but Detroit said no. Supposedly they really want a wing player in return, but are open to other ideas.
Should the Mavs look into trading Butler and Stevenson for Al, and then use DUST to try to get Igodala to fill Butler's spot? Then let Haywood just walk, and instead sign Shaq for MLE, as he has been ? Also try to get Gooden back for vet minimum again, as he has expressed interest in returning as well.
PG - Kidd, Beaubois
SG - Beaubois, Terry
SF - Iguodala, Marion
PF - Nowitzki, Gooden
C - Jefferson, Shaq
It would definitely get the Mavs younger, more talented, and more athletic. But Iggy also has a bad contract, and who knows how well his playing style will fit in.
So perhaps would it be better if the Mavs gave the DUST chip with perhaps Stevenson and a future pick for Jefferson, kept Butler, and still pursued Shaq and Gooden.
PG - Kidd, Beaubois
SG - Beaubois, Terry
SF - Butler, Marion
PF - Dirk, Gooden
C - Jefferson, Shaq
Or perhaps should the Mavs go after someone like Joe Johnson instead of Jefferson, and re-sign Haywood. Then they could roll a lineup of...
PG - Kidd, Beaubois
SG - Johnson, Terry
SF - Butler, Marion
PF - Dirk, Gooden
C - Shaq, Haywood
Thoughts?
IMO, the 1st lineup is best for future. But currently leaves guards are thin in terms of size. May take another year for them to truly gel. But also tons of potential to be beastly.
2nd lineup is most balanced, with talent, "win-now", and future. Guards still lack size though.
3rd lineup is going all out with the "win-now" mentality. Most balanced team on the floor, but the future is questionable. They would probably have a 2-3 year window at most to compete for a le.
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If Jefferson is on the block, the Mavs need to make a play for him. Dirk has played alongside a lot of different kind of players, but he's never had a lock-down low-post scorer. Of course, a front line of Al and Dirk would be a layup line for the other team.
Al Jefferson has the right at ude, his ty defense has more to do with the huge load he has to carry offensively. Put him on a team where pressure gets taken off him offensively and he'll improve.
question: why is shaq in the "best lineup moving foward" scenario?
Jefferson's defense has improved quite a bit over the past couple years. Also, playing on a team that's actually competent may help him quite a bit, much the way going to the Lakers has suddenly made Pau Gasol look like a solid defensive post presence, when in his past years with the Grizzlies, he looked awful ty on defense. Good team defense goes a long way into how an individual looks defensively, ESPECIALLY when it comes to post defenders. It's tough when they have to both man the paint because no one can keep their man in front of them, and go around guarding guys like Dirk, Duncan, or Gasol. I think he would be just fine. Beside, going back to the Lakers, Gasol and Bynum both are not very good individual defenders, but they defend decently as a team. Truth is, the Mavs having a much more consistent, efficient offense will feed a lot into them having better defense, the way it does for the Lakers, even though they really aren't all that spectacular defensively.
I doubt Shaq gets more than a 1 year contract. But with Haywood, he is probably going to be expensive, and also ask for several years. Unfortunately, he is going to get that contract somewhere, whether its with the Mavs or not, because quality big men in the NBA are hard to find. Same way Dampier got his contract. Mavs would be a lot worse off down the road if they had to have Haywood's contract on hand.
I have no interest in Shaq, not even in a 15 mpg for the vet minimum role. Of course, Cuban loves his big names past their prime (Kidd, Marion, Terry) so Shaq will probably end up in Dallas.
Don't worry, the day Shaq has to take that role is the day he'll just retire.
I can't see Haywood getting more than 5/60. That's not a terrible contract if you're in win-now mode. You'd only have to pay him the first four years and then other teams would want him. Trading for Gortat, a Gortat/Haywood combo is pretty good for the C position if you don't have a Dwight Howard, Andrew Bogut or Al Horford.
Honestly he should've retired two years ago. I think the only reason he still plays is because he's gonna get cleaned out in his divorce.
I don't understand that. For a year? You get someone who can still give you 15 points a game while only playing around 20-25 minutes a game, and is still better than probably 80% of the other centers in the NBA, for dirt cheap, who is probably now motivated to get his 5th and do so by knocking Kobe and the Lakers out of the playoffs. There isn't any better options out there.
He looked like he had plenty left after the 2009 season, but then he went right back on his off season KFC diet and now looks done. If he stayed in shape and did what the Phoenix trainers told him to do he would be getting a decent contract this summer.
And how exactly are the Mavs going to get Gortat? Who would they be trading?
I don't think the Magic want to continue paying that guy the full MLE to play 10 mpg as Dwight's backup.
I don't think Shaq is better than 80% of the other centers in the league, and I am not interested in teams p'n'rolling us to death with him on the floor. I think Haywood is better, and I'm willing to give him 5/60. That's fine, though, we can disagree on that.
Haywood is better defensively, no question. I'm just saying, if the Mavs are really in win now mode, and they have no other centers that they can get other than Haywood, I say get Shaq. Obviously I would mostly like to have a Jefferson/Haywood combo, but who knows how that would work. If Haywood goes back to pouting on the bench, I'd rather have Shaq, because at least Shaq will give us 10-15 points.
Still, who would the Mavs give up? If they can trade Stevenson, Carroll, or Barea for him, cool. Anything else is too much unless they do a 3-way trade and get some other pieces back. If the Mavs could find a way get Brandon Bass back along with Gortat, that would be pretty cool though, lol.
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