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    Hearing #spurs would be open to giving RJ a longer term deal at a per-year figure that's easier on their cap figure.
    Thank God it's only McDonald, and it's probably wrong.

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    rj for 5 years at 6 million a year

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    Opting out right move for RJ?June 30, 2010 · 8:24PMPosted by Art Garcia

    On the surface it appears Richard Jefferson opting out of the last year of his contract for $15.2 million is a major gamble. Some league observers half-heartedly speculated that RJ won’t make $15.2 million the rest of his career.

    Ouch.

    While it’s a safe bet Jefferson won’t make that kind of money next season, especially coming off a disappointing year in San Antonio, the small forward could take advantage of a seller’s market. With at least eight teams out there with significant cap room and only so many star players to go around, Jefferson could easily be seen a safe fallback.

    Even after LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Dirk Nowitzki, Amar’e Stoudemire, Joe Johnson and Carlos Boozer come off the board, there’s going to be money out there to spend and clubs who were shut out of the above.

    Remember the $80 million combined Detroit spent last summer on Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva? Some team is going to panic — Clippers or Knicks, perhaps — and reach out to RJ to make sure its summer isn’t a total washout.

    Jefferson is hardly damaged goods. He just turned 30 this month and even though he averaged 12.3 points as a bad fit in the Spurs’ system last season, he’s still got a career scoring average of 17.0 and has been reasonably durable.

    Getting back in a running offense with a pass-first point guard, instead of San Antonio’s halfcourt attack built around Tim Duncan and Tony Parker‘s shoot-first mentality, could spell a career rebirth for Jefferson. Maybe that’s worth a contract similar to the five years and nearly $40 million Shawn Marion received from Dallas last summer.

    Or maybe the Spurs work out a new contract for a more cap-friendly figure with Jefferson, realizing he’s still probably a better option than anything San Antonio can realistically hope to find on the open market. Jefferson signing a new deal now does protect him from possible salary rollbacks of the next CBA.

    In another other year, opting out of such a windfall would seem extremely foolish for Jefferson. Maybe RJ is smarter than the rest of us.

    http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2010/0...t-move-for-rj/

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    Damn.

    The Spurs just got royally screwed


    You people saying thank god are so ing stupid....
    Yeah, this isn't good. Hopefully the FO can figure something out. This just ruined my week.

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    FWIW, another perspective:

    Spurs took a gamble on him last year and felt let down by the results, but now they get bailed out of paying the steepest price. They also just dropped below the salary cap by about $5 million and have a little more room to maneuver to improve a team that needs to get more athletic. If they were to trade Tony Parker to the Knicks just for cap space, they would suddenly have bout $14.7 million to play around with. Not that they plan to move Parker, but the number of options available to the Spurs just increased dramatically.

    Free agency hasn't even started and RC Buford feels like he's won.
    http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...-a-miracle.php

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    Alright dumbass

    how do you sign a SF and Tiago Splitter at the same time now?


    Waiting...
    this year the NBA might be rigging the cap higher so NY knickerbockers can sign two max Free agents

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    Dunno what its worth but McDonald says the Spurs are open to giving Jefferson a LTD supposedly for a more cap friendly figure....
    This actually what I am expecting..Gonna be funny what everyone says who is celebrating right now about his departure..

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    Dunno what its worth but McDonald says the Spurs are open to giving Jefferson a LTD supposedly for a more cap friendly figure....
    I can understand the Spurs offering and they should.

    However, with the terrible experience that RJ had with the Spurs, why would RJ consider it? Where's his incentive?

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    may have been one of hte top 5 worst Spurs ever.


    For every 1 game he would go off, you had 10 games of him being beyond useless.
    Have you ever seen James Jones in an NBA starting lineup?

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    a sign and trade with rj would be lovely but who knows what will happen now resigning rj to a multi year deal makes no sense to me at all

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    I don't know what to believe at this point but if I had to wager on it I'd put money on the Spurs signing him to a longer deal for much less money. The MLE, LLE, etc stay intact and they retain a starting SF.

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    Dice for Beasley and Dice retires.

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    I can understand the Spurs offering and they should.

    However, with the terrible experience that RJ had with the Spurs, why would RJ consider it? Where's his incentive?
    I hope that the Spurs don't do it. RJ f'd the spacing more than any player I have ever seen. I understand they need a SF, but got damn.

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    I saw this thread and thought it was some kind of joke?

    He seriously opted out?

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    So with the CBA, can we spend some of the money that the Spurs were going to pay RJ, to get someone else (I understand the we can't just go out & spend 15 mil)? Or, is sign & trade the only option to get someone in return? Does this affect negotiations w/ Tiago or was that negotiating w/ only the MLE? Sorry if I seem so ignorant, just trying to get a better understanding w/ my SPURS situation!

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    Oh and the front office better plug in a small forward that can actually shoot from the outside. It was ugly watching the non-existent spacing. Another year would have been painful.

    I'm starting to like this non-RJ thing.
    I feel cautiously optimistic. RJ was such a bad fit it was brutal to watch. I would have never been able to stomach watching another year of missed rotations and bricked baseline jumpers.

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    Have you ever seen James Jones in an NBA starting lineup?
    How does that change being one of the top 5 worse Spurs ever?



    For what he made I dont think there is any question he was the worst spur ever to put on the uniform.

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    What type of S&T assets do you guys have?

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    I saw this thread and thought it was some kind of joke?

    He seriously opted out?

    Yes.

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    Alright, lets get this in perspective My estimated value for the Spurs cap-hold before RJ opted out - $71,836,252 (on-book Salaries for Duncan, Jefferson, Mcdyess, Manu, Parker, Jerrels, Gee, Hairston, Temple, Blair, Hill, Cap hold for Anderson ($1,134,500), 3 minimum Cap holds (at $462,808 each)
    Post RJ opting out - $57,099,060 (on-book Salaries for Duncan, Mcdyess, Manu, Parker, Jerrels, Gee, Hairston, Temple, Blair, Hill, Cap hold for Anderson ($1,134,500), 4 minimum Cap holds (at $462,808 each).

    The cap is roughly 58 million - we might be a touch under. We will have the MLE, the LLE and a smidge of room under cap (probably not significantly more than a vet min contract).

    The lux tax threshold was roughly 70 million -therefore, this saves Holt approximately 17 million, less whatever salary he adds to replace RJ, and additional taxes he would have payed for using the MLE and LLE, etc (roughly another 8 million or so).

    I'm not sure that this is a disaster. As TiMVP has said, clearly Jefferson thinks he has something arranged. With who? Are the Spurs going to work some sort of sign and Trade?

    I'm going to assume no S&T for now. There are 4 or 5 players who I would immediately start courting
    LLE - Dorell Wright, James Jones, Matt Barnes
    Vet Min - Dominic Mcguire, Tyler Smith (he is currently not signed on to any SL team that I am aware of. I would bring him in regardless of this situation.)

    The other Item I would seriously contemplate is getting in to the current cap-space rush currently ongoing by moving our 4 unguaranteed contracts - Hairston, Gee, Jerrels, Temple. For example, all 4 to NJ for Humphries + the 1st round GSW pick that NJN is owed + 3 Million Dollars. 3 Million in capspace for 3 Million dollars and a 1st is a reasonable price, and we could resign all the guys sent, for 1 year vet min contracts unguaranteed, as they would all be cut...

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    Let's look at the bright side:

    It's June 30th and we have something to talk about.

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    Dice for Beasley and Dice retires.
    How the F does that help anything?

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    I'm not sure it's a good thing I'm attending U of A's business school whan an alumni does something so financially re ed

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    We will have the MLE, the LLE and a smidge of room under cap (probably not significantly more than a vet min contract).
    Just FYI, you don't get that smidge if you are using your exceptions.

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    The Spurs are ed. Jefferson's expiring was the ticket towards getting a shooter or maybe someone who could stay in front of his man. James Anderson better be the next Stephen Jackson or the Spurs window has gone from closed to bolted shut and covered with a ing 3-foot lead wall.

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