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    "built-in incentive that should be eliminated"

    you guys are real tough on the unemployed, but let slide all the "incentives" the corps have to buy Congressman.

    I'd guess corporate subsidies, tax breaks, loopholes add up to 100s of $Bs more than welfare cheats.
    Exactly.......the politicians love us to argue over peanuts while corporations get to do things like write off their expenses and people don't - let me write off my food costs, operating costs like air/elec/insurance before determining my fair tax share...

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    that's the military idea of poverty, of course with their trillion dollar a year budget..the civilian poverty line was less than $20,000/yr last I checked....try raising kids on that!
    no matter what your job you have to put the paperwork in with a state.

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    ...more kids - equal money means less money per kid...
    I don't see it as a problem that families of two would receive more $$ "per child" than families of eight.

    No one is interested in starving the larger families. They wouldn't see their benefits go down. Smaller families would just see theirs go up.

    You want to break the cycle of poverty you have to give people more money not less....of course, that means a $15 dollar per hour living wage...
    The dollars added to the economy would probably just be offset by labor costs with that drastic of an increase in the minimum wage.

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    "built-in incentive that should be eliminated"

    you guys are real tough on the unemployed, but let slide all the "incentives" the corps have to buy Congressman.

    I'd guess corporate subsidies, tax breaks, loopholes add up to 100s of $Bs more than welfare cheats.
    Then start a thread about it.

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    I don't see it as a problem that families of two would receive more $$ "per child" than families of eight.

    No one is interested in starving the larger families. They wouldn't see their benefits go down. Smaller families would just see theirs go up.
    You really think that the poor have the capacity to plan out how much or how much less money they can get from the govt if they have or don't have another baby? Seriously?

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    You really think that the poor have the capacity to plan out how much or how much less money they can get from the govt if they have or don't have another baby? Seriously?
    Jeez, listen to the LIBERAL. They are poor and usually uneducated. They aren't stupid.

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    As far as I'm concerned, I say we pay unwed mothers for the first kid just like we have always done. I'll even pay for the second one as long as they agree to get their tubes tied while they are in the hospital squirting out #2.

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    You don't understand the cycle of poverty - plain and simple....no welfare mom is gonna stop having babies because she's gonna get less than from the govt....

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    You don't understand the cycle of poverty - plain and simple....no welfare mom is gonna stop having babies because she's gonna get less than from the govt....
    Thats some hard core intellectual elitism there!

    You obviously consider poor people sub-human and incapable of rational thought if you really believe that.

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    As far as I'm concerned, I say we pay unwed mothers for the first kid just like we have always done. I'll even pay for the second one as long as they agree to get their tubes tied while they are in the hospital squirting out #2.
    Yeah, that has worked wonders for China...

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    Thats some hard core intellectual elitism there!

    You obviously consider poor people sub-human and incapable of rational thought if you really believe that.
    Losing the message, attack the messenger....typical wing-nut redirection...

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    that's the military idea of poverty, of course with their trillion dollar a year budget..the civilian poverty line was less than $20,000/yr last I checked....try raising kids on that!
    You don't know diddly, do you?

    Military personnel who qualify for food stamps must meet the same requirements anyone else does.

    Current E-4 pay ranges from $1,889.70 to $2,293.80 monthly. E-3 wages from $1,705.80 $1,923.00. E2 wages are $1,622.10 monthly and E-1 wages are $1,447.20 monthly.

    some of these are below the $20k annual.

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    I HATE that bull . Lets start with the Ethanol subsidies.
    No . those are real subsidies.

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    I would start with the law that allowed BP to write off 70% of its renting of the Deepwater Horizon.
    Raising taxes on producers are why more producers leave the USA and employ people elsewhere.

    We need more good paying tax payers, not less.

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    Losing the message, attack the messenger....typical wing-nut redirection...
    Wing nut re-direction?

    Do you realize how arrogant and presumptuous your statement was? Do you HONESTLY believe poor people are too stupid to realize that the system is set up to reward them for having babies?

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    Nearly every state and local government across the country is looking at large budget shortfalls for their 2011 fiscal years, most of which begin on 1 July 2010. Since they are generally required by state cons utions or local charters to balance their budgets, they will have no choice except to raise taxes and/or make large cutbacks and lay off workers to bring spending and revenue into line.

    Welcome to Texas.

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    Raising taxes on producers are why more producers leave the USA and employ people elsewhere.

    We need more good paying tax payers, not less.
    You think BP really needed a tax break on the Deepwater Horizon?

    Yes or no.

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    You think BP really needed a tax break on the Deepwater Horizon?

    Yes or no.
    I think ALL businesses need a tax break. I don't discriminate in that regard, or use my personal likes or dislikes to decide who gets taxed and who doesn't.

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    All legitimate business expenses should be deductible at the very least. Calling expense deductions "tax breaks for business" is disingenuous at best. If I sell a job for $100,000 that cost me $92,000 to complete I should be taxed on the $8000 profit and not the $100,000 gross sale.

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    Wing nut re-direction?

    Do you realize how arrogant and presumptuous your statement was? Do you HONESTLY believe poor people are too stupid to realize that the system is set up to reward them for having babies?
    Why do you presume I think working poor are stupid? They aren't stupid, but they also aren't as conniving as you apparently...the poor have less choices and less to lose by having kids...and many just see sex as fun from an otherwise routine life, plus being pregnant gives mothers a sense that they are special because everyone treats them that way...there are tons of factors that come into play, however among the least is how much more or less they are going to get from the govt...

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    Why do you presume I think working poor are stupid? They aren't stupid, but they also aren't as conniving as you apparently...the poor have less choices and less to lose by having kids...and many just see sex as fun from an otherwise routine life, plus being pregnant gives mothers a sense that they are special because everyone treats them that way...there are tons of factors that come into play, however among the least is how much more or less they are going to get from the govt...
    Uhhh....could it be YOUR OWN WORDS?

    You really think that the poor have the capacity to plan out how much or how much less money they can get from the govt if they have or don't have another baby? Seriously?
    Don't have the mental capacity? REALLY?

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    Why do you presume I think working poor are stupid? They aren't stupid, but they also aren't as conniving as you apparently...the poor have less choices and less to lose by having kids...and many just see sex as fun from an otherwise routine life, plus being pregnant gives mothers a sense that they are special because everyone treats them that way...there are tons of factors that come into play, however among the least is how much more or less they are going to get from the govt...
    And you are able to crawl into the psyche of the poor, how exactly?

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    And you are able to crawl into the psyche of the poor, how exactly?
    I've worked with them....also, I grew up poor, dirt poor, but make 6 figures today

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    Why do you presume I think working poor are stupid? They aren't stupid, but they also aren't as conniving as you apparently...the poor have less choices and less to lose by having kids...and many just see sex as fun from an otherwise routine life, plus being pregnant gives mothers a sense that they are special because everyone treats them that way...there are tons of factors that come into play, however among the least is how much more or less they are going to get from the govt...
    Sure but it's still a factor and it doesn't need to be. I agree that for most people it's not on the radar. But why even make it available to be exploited?

    Call me crazy, but I'd rather incentivise people NOT to have kids than give tax breaks or added benefits for having kids. Poor or not.

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    I've worked with them....also, I grew up poor, dirt poor, but make 6 figures today
    That's odd. I too grew up poor. I've also worked with poor people (them), extensively both as a teacher and thru the Job Corps. My experiences don't exactly grok yours.

    It's not a sword fight, dan.....nobody cares how much we make.

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