Spurs may be done with offseason moves

[barbacoataco]

As I wrote somewhere else, this current Spurs roster is simply too short to compete.
1. No true Centers. All of our bigs are actually PF's.
2. Our SF's are all 6'6"-7" rather than the 6'8"-9" that the best teams have.
3. Hill is too short to be a SG, but he will play minutes there.
4. Who is going to guard the bigs with a low post game? We have no Kurt Thomas type big who can body up strong C's. Fortunately there aren't many left in the WC.
5. Add all this to the fact that Pop often plays small ball lineup.

[DesignatedT]

As I wrote somewhere else, this current Spurs roster is simply too short to compete.
1. No true Centers. All of our bigs are actually PF's.
2. Our SF's are all 6'6"-7" rather than the 6'8"-9" that the best teams have.
3. Hill is too short to be a SG, but he will play minutes there.
4. Who is going to guard the bigs with a low post game? We have no Kurt Thomas type big who can body up strong C's. Fortunately there aren't many left in the WC.
5. Add all this to the fact that Pop often plays small ball lineup.

Well Splitter is a 7 foot center, Jefferson is plenty big for a SF not a small ball PF like we tried last season. Obviously a backup SF with size is the next priority.

[doobs]

15 man roster:

Parker, Hill, Temple
Manu, Anderson, Hairston
RJ, ..., ...
Splitter, McDyess, Bonner
Duncan, Blair, ...

I'm sorry, but I don't think the Spurs can depend on Jerrells, Gee, and Richards to fill those three spots. And the LLE is still there. So they need to use it, or make a trade, or something.

The offseason shouldn't be over just yet.

[angelbelow]

Nice post, Im hoping that Bonner did not receive a raise and the contract is much less. Than hopefully we can land a defensive/shooter 3.

[ChuckD]

The spurs may have just completed their entire off-season agenda.

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pa...ries/spurs.jsp


Tim Duncan $18,835,381
Tony Parker $13,650,000
Manu Ginobili $11,854,584
Antonio McDyess $4,860,000
DeJuan Blair $918,000
George Hill $854,389
Malik Hairston $854,389 (No / Partial Guarantee)
Alonzo Gee $762,195 (No / Partial Guarantee)
Garrett Temple $762,195 (No / Partial Guarantee)
Curtis Jerrells $762,195 (No / Partial Guarantee)
Sub-Total $54,113,328

Richard Jefferson $6,300,000 (5yr/$37M - must be more than MLE / 5 years)
Matt Bonner $3,325,000 (4yr/$15M - must be raise and /4 years)
Tiago Splitter $5,765,000 (5 yr/$34M - assume full MLE)
James Anderson $1,134,500 (Rookie Scale)
Ryan Richards $473,604 (Minimum rookie contract)
Total $70,111,432

Tax Threshold $70,307,000

It looks like the Spurs are done, 15 players (Richards, Jerells and Gee as our 13 - 15)

I am sure if something comes up they would be willing to upgrade the roster, but they are sooooo limited as to their choices as they are currently simply filling up with minimum contracts. Therefore any upgrade will have to be a trade and will have to be one that doesn't increase salary. Bi-Annual Exception is out even a vet minimum contract may put them over the tax threshold.

This may or may not be a championship roster, but i believe this is an upgrade over last year.

Big Three
T. Duncan should be slightly worse than last year (Age)
T. Parker should be better (Injury and no international play this summer)
M. Ginobili should be slightly worse (Age)

Support 2010
G.Hill should be better (maturity)
D.Blair should be better and get more minutes (maturity)
R.Jefferson should be better (incorporated into system)
J.Anderson should be better than RMJ (can't be worse)
T.Splittger should be improvement and take more minutes (see below)
M.Bonner - same - but fewer minutes (Splitter/Blair)
McDyess - worse with age but fewer minutes (Splitter/Blair)

In addition, we can't forget that our roster was completely overturned last year and that couldn't have had a positive effect. Just being together for year could make a big difference.

If splitter turns out to be MARC Gasol i think we have a chance at the Lakers, if Splitter is any less we are doomed, any better is wishfull thinking but i am an optimist by nature.

Jerrells won't make the club. One of Hairston/Gee won't make the club. AFAIK, Richards' Euro club has not released him from his contract, the reason he isn't playing SL. That's three spots up for grabs, as far as I'm concerned.

I also don't think there is any way in RJ gets 5 years. His little foray into free agency this summer should have snapped his head back about his value and demand in the league.

[spurnash]

Jerrells won't make the club. One of Hairston/Gee won't make the club. AFAIK, Richards' Euro club has not released him from his contract, the reason he isn't playing SL. That's three spots up for grabs, as far as I'm concerned.

I also don't think there is any way in RJ gets 5 years. His little foray into free agency this summer should have snapped his head back about his value and demand in the league.

Jerrells ($762k) won't make the club - Probably right
Hairston or Gee ($762k) won't make the club - again probably right
Richards ($473k) doesn't make the club - sounds reasonable to me

The point is assuming RJ get a starting salary of around $6M (doesn't matter how many years)...spurs will have $2M to spend on those three positions total. NBA minimum salaries range from $473k for a rookie to about $1.3M (12 year vet). You can replace any of those three guys with any non-impact players or alternate spurs you like (gist or whoever) and stick them on the toros roster.

If there is a trade to be had who knows, I am sure Buford and Pop will continue their search, otherwise we kind of got what we got.

Another alternative is to not keep two of our roster spots and we may be able to use the bi-annual exception.

[dbestpro]

Jerrells ($762k) won't make the club - Probably right
Hairston or Gee ($762k) won't make the club - again probably right
Richards ($473k) doesn't make the club - sounds reasonable to me.

I have finally come to believe that Hairston will make the club and actually play significant minutes at the SF slot. This change of thinking is a direct result of him not being on the SL roster. Good or bad I believe he will get his chance this year.

[Spurs Brazil]

We must sign a SF who can shot. I'd be happy with Butler or Jones .

[montgod]

It sure looks that way. Options dwindling fast.

Bell and JJones are all that's left it looks like unless you can get an injured Harrington for the LLE.

[CaptainLate]

Im fine if they have faith in guys like Hairston/Temple and possibly Gee. They just might be better options than anything we can find on the market. I still expect us to use our LLE on someone. Hopefullly a James Jones.

About July 1, mysanantonio.com had the FO going after Matt Barnes.

[CaptainLate]

Anderson should be able to help with the three point shooting. We need another big and another three point shooter.

Matt Barnes?

[angelbelow]

About July 1, mysanantonio.com had the FO going after Matt Barnes.

We've gone after Matt before and I believe he said he has no interest in playing for the Spurs.

[spursfan1000]

I hope were not done, we still need another 3pt shooting SF.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Jesus Christ almighty this team is glaringly weak now.

[itzsoweezee]

any hope i had for the upcoming season went down the tubes with the matt bonner signing. i'm predicting a second round exit again - probably lose out to OKC or Portland.

what are the odds bonner plays more minutes than any other big (other than duncan) next season? i'm betting 50/50.

[TD 21]

The spurs may have just completed their entire off-season agenda.

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pa...ries/spurs.jsp


Tim Duncan $18,835,381
Tony Parker $13,650,000
Manu Ginobili $11,854,584
Antonio McDyess $4,860,000
DeJuan Blair $918,000
George Hill $854,389
Malik Hairston $854,389 (No / Partial Guarantee)
Alonzo Gee $762,195 (No / Partial Guarantee)
Garrett Temple $762,195 (No / Partial Guarantee)
Curtis Jerrells $762,195 (No / Partial Guarantee)
Sub-Total $54,113,328

Richard Jefferson $6,300,000 (5yr/$37M - must be more than MLE / 5 years)
Matt Bonner $3,325,000 (4yr/$15M - must be raise and /4 years)
Tiago Splitter $5,765,000 (5 yr/$34M - assume full MLE)
James Anderson $1,134,500 (Rookie Scale)
Ryan Richards $473,604 (Minimum rookie contract)
Total $70,111,432

Tax Threshold $70,307,000

It looks like the Spurs are done, 15 players (Richards, Jerells and Gee as our 13 - 15)

I am sure if something comes up they would be willing to upgrade the roster, but they are sooooo limited as to their choices as they are currently simply filling up with minimum contracts. Therefore any upgrade will have to be a trade and will have to be one that doesn't increase salary. Bi-Annual Exception is out even a vet minimum contract may put them over the tax threshold.

This may or may not be a championship roster, but i believe this is an upgrade over last year.

Big Three
T. Duncan should be slightly worse than last year (Age)
T. Parker should be better (Injury and no international play this summer)
M. Ginobili should be slightly worse (Age)

Support 2010
G.Hill should be better (maturity)
D.Blair should be better and get more minutes (maturity)
R.Jefferson should be better (incorporated into system)
J.Anderson should be better than RMJ (can't be worse)
T.Splittger should be improvement and take more minutes (see below)
M.Bonner - same - but fewer minutes (Splitter/Blair)
McDyess - worse with age but fewer minutes (Splitter/Blair)

In addition, we can't forget that our roster was completely overturned last year and that couldn't have had a positive effect. Just being together for year could make a big difference.

If splitter turns out to be MARC Gasol i think we have a chance at the Lakers, if Splitter is any less we are doomed, any better is wishfull thinking but i am an optimist by nature.

Good post. I agree, I think they're done.

They may have wanted a more proven backup option at SF, but with the money bring thrown around (for example, Wright signed today for 3 years/$11 million), the Spurs simply can't afford that type of player.

They could sign a minimum type, but what's the point? Those players aren't clear cut upgrades over Hairston and Gee. Both of whom the Spurs are high on, have experience in the system, are young, athletic and inexpensive.

Not only that, but a minimum type signing would put them past the luxury tax threshold. I can't see them doing that for anything less than a clear cut, substantial upgrade.

I also expect Jerrells to be waived to create more breathing room under the tax, free up a roster spot (gives the team flexibility throughout the year in case injuries decimate a certain position) and also because I don't see any conceivable role for him.

[MaNu4Tres]

Good post. I agree, I think they're done.

They may have wanted a more proven backup option at SF, but with the money bring thrown around (for example, Wright signed today for 3 years/$11 million), the Spurs simply can't afford that type of player.

They could sign a minimum type, but what's the point? Those players aren't clear cut upgrades over Hairston and Gee. Both of whom the Spurs are high on, have experience in the system, are young, athletic and inexpensive.

Not only that, but a minimum type signing would put them past the luxury tax threshold. I can't see them doing that for anything less than a clear cut, substantial upgrade.

Now you understand...

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As you know well...I agree to this..

[TD 21]

Now you understand...

I keed I keed..

As you know well...I agree to this..

I always did understand, I just wasn't in agreement with forgoing signing a veteran SF...until Anderson fell into the Spurs laps (not that he fell that far). Anderson is a good three point shooter and ready to play immediately by all accounts, so there's no need to waste money and pay the tax for a similar, but older and less athletic, minimum type player.

[MaNu4Tres]

I always did understand, I just wasn't in agreement with forgoing signing a veteran SF...until Anderson fell into the Spurs laps (not that he fell that far). Anderson is a good three point shooter and ready to play immediately by all accounts, so why waste money and pay the tax for a minimum type player?

I agree.

I've been advocating this scenario for a while now.

[Sigz]

This team is soft as moist .

[50 cent]

Shaq will go to Miami if he has even one firing, functionally intact neuron in that large cranium.

I don't think Shaq necessarily left Miami last time on great terms. I'm not even sure Riley would want to put up with his crap again.

I'm not sure we want to put up with his crap either.

[Harry Callahan]

Is Jefferson officially signed or not? Just wondering.

Sounds like everybody else might be.

[DesignatedT]

Is Jefferson officially signed or not? Just wondering.

Sounds like everybody else might be.

Nobody is. I would probably suspect that we will hear official signings of Bonner,Splitter and RJ by early this week. Splitter and Bonner almost certainly Monday.

[AFBlue]

Done or not, they've at least got their core piece back in the fold...

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

We will pick up Rasual Butler is my feeling. He'll be the starting SF.