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    Dang, I miss Bruce Bowen.
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    Another clear indication for me why his jersey should be retired soon, when you see how hard it is to find anybody to step into his shoes.

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    While Brewer and Korver help fill the void after the trade of Kirk Hinrich -- Brewer is an athletic player known for his defense, while Korver is one of the top three-point shooters in the league -- the Bulls might not be done acquiring shooting-guard candidates. They still have room under the salary cap, and NBA sources said the Bulls have had discussions with representatives for Josh Howard, Shannon Brown, Rasual Butler and even Tracy McGrady.

    http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baske...bull17.article

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    While Brewer and Korver help fill the void after the trade of Kirk Hinrich -- Brewer is an athletic player known for his defense, while Korver is one of the top three-point shooters in the league -- the Bulls might not be done acquiring shooting-guard candidates. They still have room under the salary cap, and NBA sources said the Bulls have had discussions with representatives for Josh Howard, Shannon Brown, Rasual Butler and even Tracy McGrady.

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    i thought shannon brown was close to re-signing with the fakers....

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    Re: Josh Howard. He was constantly a problem in Dallas because of his 'head' and at ude. Below are some of his negatives

    He got his money and got lazy.
    Watch him earlier in his career. Watch him the last couple. Night and day.
    I know about his injuries. So I give him a pass on some of the dropoff.
    But watch him loaf up and down the court. That isnt an injury.
    Devin traded...he pouted
    Smoking pot...personally dont care one way or another
    Anthem...not good
    Made of glass...yes
    Mental midget...absolutely
    Bday party during the season...really?
    He quit playing D and quit driving to the rim
    He played hard maybe once a week
    After missing a month with his ankle he didnt play because of "stomach issues". When a source with the team was asked if he was really sick the source rolled his eyes
    Cuban gave this dude NUMEROUS opportunities to get his head right. He couldn't/wouldn't do it.
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    Buford says Spurs are hopeful to bring Richard Jefferson back and the Spurs want to add at least one more shooter
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    The frightening prospect of Gee/Hairston/James Jones as your starting SF is one driving factor in Spurs' desire to bring back RJ, I think.
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    If nobody was frightened by having Bogans start so many games last year, why are they suddenly afraid of the guy that beat him out for the position?

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    Not that starting RJ is any less of a frightening thought, especially on defense...

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    At least we know they contacted him...

    http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index....eveland_c.html

    Q: Hey, Brian: Would the Cavs have any interest in Richard Jefferson for the upcoming season or two? --Mike Delaney, Mansfield

    A: Hey, Mike: Jefferson certainly has interest in the Cavs, who have contacted him. However, after leaving $15 million on the table to get away from the Spurs for no good reason, he's looking for a long-term contact that the Cavs aren't interested in at the moment.

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    With the seemingly league-wide lack of interest in giving RJ a long-term deal, one starts to wonder if the Spurs could manage to low-ball him on years too. RJ is probably looking for 4-5 years, but unless someone offers him full MLE for 4-5 years, the Spurs might be able to get him for 3 years, $20 million, which is a fairly absurd value considering his career.

    For the sake of RJ's pride when signing this contract, they could even throw in a partial guarantee for a 4th year, or a team option, both of which would make his contract more tradeable in the future, or more of a bargain if he manages to turn his game back around.

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    At least one more shooter? Interesting.

    With news that Richards isn't coming over, I wonder if the Spurs (if Jones were to re-sign with the Heat) would pursue Novak? He's a knockdown three-point shooter (40.3% career), will come cheap, from what I know of him he seems like Spurs material character wise and he can play the role of a long three or a small four. On the donwside, he can't guard his own shadow and he'd be mostly redundant with Bonner on the roster.

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    At least we know they contacted him...

    http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index....eveland_c.html

    Q: Hey, Brian: Would the Cavs have any interest in Richard Jefferson for the upcoming season or two? --Mike Delaney, Mansfield

    A: Hey, Mike: Jefferson certainly has interest in the Cavs, who have contacted him. However, after leaving $15 million on the table to get away from the Spurs for no good reason, he's looking for a long-term contact that the Cavs aren't interested in at the moment.
    spurs could just offer a one year deal or a 2 year deal
    why lock in for 5 years

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    butler is still my first preference but his stock seems fairly high right now. i hope the spurs don't end up with adam morrison...

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    Re: Josh Howard. He was constantly a problem in Dallas because of his 'head' and at ude. Below are some of his negatives

    Devin traded...he pouted
    He pouted because they traded a young upcoming quick pg and got an old pg with one foot out the door in return. That was one terrible trade, so you can't knock him for recognizing that.

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    With the seemingly league-wide lack of interest in giving RJ a long-term deal, one starts to wonder if the Spurs could manage to low-ball him on years too. RJ is probably looking for 4-5 years, but unless someone offers him full MLE for 4-5 years, the Spurs might be able to get him for 3 years, $20 million, which is a fairly absurd value considering his career.

    For the sake of RJ's pride when signing this contract, they could even throw in a partial guarantee for a 4th year, or a team option, both of which would make his contract more tradeable in the future, or more of a bargain if he manages to turn his game back around.


    Had much the same thought.

    In the end, I think the Spurs will give him a little more than they have to, but nevertheless wind up with a good value talent-wise. Hopefully they can get him on a McDyess-like contract with the partially guaranteed fourth or some such.

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    With the seemingly league-wide lack of interest in giving RJ a long-term deal, one starts to wonder if the Spurs could manage to low-ball him on years too. RJ is probably looking for 4-5 years, but unless someone offers him full MLE for 4-5 years, the Spurs might be able to get him for 3 years, $20 million, which is a fairly absurd value considering his career.

    For the sake of RJ's pride when signing this contract, they could even throw in a partial guarantee for a 4th year, or a team option, both of which would make his contract more tradeable in the future, or more of a bargain if he manages to turn his game back around.
    The problem i have with that strategy : we could have a totally unmotivated Jefferson for the upcoming season.

    I think a fair deal would be his (original) 16.22 mil + 2 equivalent of the MLE for 3 years.
    16.22 + 5.76 + 6.33 = 28.3 mil
    28.3 mil for 3 years = 9.4 mil / season.
    You can also give him a 4th year partially guaranteed.

    The Spurs can do that because, with RJ opting out, Peter Holt saved a lot of money.

    I think Jefferson will be better this year :
    - with a good contract
    - with a healthy Parker
    - in his 2nd season with the Spurs
    - because he has a lot to prove

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    The problem i have with that strategy : we could have a totally unmotivated Jefferson for the upcoming season.
    Isn't that what we had last season?

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    Resign Jefferson 4 years 30 million: partially guaranteed for the 4th year(team option). Worse case scenario: In 2 years(not 3) Jefferson's contract will be a hot trading commodity because its a reasonable expiring (roughly 7-8 million).

    Sign James Jones to a two year deal around 4.5 million.

    That leaves

    Starters(by December)

    Parker-Anderson-Jefferson-Duncan-Splitter

    Bench

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    Bonner-Hairston(or Temple)

    Inactive: Hairston(or Temple), Gee, Gist (Diogu;another young big to stash in Austin; Or a veteran like Jason/Jarron Collins)
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    The problem i have with that strategy : we could have a totally unmotivated Jefferson for the upcoming season.
    Good point. When a player signs a big contract they always play better the next year.

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    Good point. When a player signs a big contract they always play better the next year.
    It's not a big contact for Jefferson. It's a normal contract... again, he saved a lot of Holt's money by opting out.
    And if you sign him for a pathetic contract, what will you expect from him this season ?
    A fair deal for Jefferson is 8-9 mil / year for 3 or 4 seasons.

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    Give Jefferson a short contract and he'll have the option of going for big money again--if he performs and his value goes up.

    With his personal evaluation of his talent being so high (dropped a 15 million contract) he should be easy to convince.

    Then both sides can take a deep breath and see what the future holds.

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    The problem i have with that strategy : we could have a totally unmotivated Jefferson for the upcoming season.

    I think a fair deal would be his (original) 16.22 mil + 2 equivalent of the MLE for 3 years.
    16.22 + 5.76 + 6.33 = 28.3 mil
    28.3 mil for 3 years = 9.4 mil / season.
    You can also give him a 4th year partially guaranteed.

    The Spurs can do that because, with RJ opting out, Peter Holt saved a lot of money.

    I think Jefferson will be better this year :
    - with a good contract
    - with a healthy Parker
    - in his 2nd season with the Spurs
    - because he has a lot to prove
    This contract would be very expensive, as it would put the Spurs into the luxury tax. Spreading the money more evenly over the years would avoid this.

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    I think a fair deal would be his (original) 16.22 mil + 2 equivalent of the MLE for 3 years.
    16.22 + 5.76 + 6.33 = 28.3 mil
    28.3 mil for 3 years = 9.4 mil / season.
    You can also give him a 4th year partially guaranteed.
    RJ original salary was $15.2M but the main problem with your idea is that it isn't allowed by the CBA.
    Raises and decreases are limited to 10.5% of the first year salary. Giving a decreeing salary to RJ is a good idea but it can't decrease as much as that.

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    RJ original salary was $15.2M but the main problem with your idea is that it isn't allowed by the CBA.
    Raises and decreases are limited to 10.5% of the first year salary. Giving a decreeing salary to RJ is a good idea but it can't decrease as much as that.
    I don't think he meant to structure it like that. He was simply running the numbers of his proposal, which adds up to $28m... then splitting it over three seasons, which would be about $9m... that's what the Spurs would be offering RJ, a $9m per contract.

    I think it's overpaying, and whoever is thinking he would be a hot trade commodity in 2 seasons please pass me what you're smoking.

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    I don't think he meant to structure it like that. He was simply running the numbers of his proposal, which adds up to $28m... then splitting it over three seasons, which would be about $9m... that's what the Spurs would be offering RJ, a $9m per contract.

    I think it's overpaying, and whoever is thinking he would be a hot trade commodity in 2 seasons please pass me what you're smoking.
    Yes, that's what I meant.
    I agree that 9 mil per year is too much, but again, Holt saved a LOT of money with RJ opting out.
    RJ looks like a fool right now, Spurs FO just need to put an acceptable offer on the table.
    I believe it's between 8 & 9 mil per year for at least 3 years (+ a 4th year partially guaranteed).

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