it's not that Spurs can choose from a big pool of options.
IF Barnes is willing to sign for LLE money AND he is willing to go to SA,(which is neither West nor East coast), Spurs almost have no other choice. face it, the alternative is Keith Bogans.
I would definitely prefer to find out if Barnes is in fact the incorrigible and not integrable head case most think he is, than to find out if Bogans shows the (anyhow overrated) "2nd year in the Spurs system" effect.
I don't recall Bowen arguing with Pop in the middle of a game and being sent to the locker room, do you? I also don't recall Bowen trying to get into other players's head through twitter either.
There's nasty and professional (Bowen) and then there's flat out stupid (Barnes). Plus it's not like Barnes has ever locked anybody down. You're comparing apples and oranges here.
You've convinced me that he's an upgrade over RJ, but shame on you for comparing him to Bowen in any way.
Someone in another thread mentioned (can't vouch for the veracity of it) that Nelly hated Barnes and blamed their bad season after embarrassing Dallas almost entirely on him. So if you buy that, there's your answer on why we wouldn't want him along with the rest of the NBA GMs.
Now I agree with MB that beggars can't be choosers at this point, but if he's bad enough to piss off laid-back Nelly, one can only imagine what kinds of gaskets Pop would be blowing. If he comes to SA for a workout, the FO will most likely spend the majority of his visit feeling his character out and explaining their expectations and demands.
I've seen him harass and lockdown plenty of players last year, as I watched many magic games.
And if you don't believe me, just do a quick search on google "Matt Barnes lockdown defender" and you'll see
http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba-news-an...llen-in-boston
Matt Barnes is Allen's equal as a lockdown defender, but also stretches defense with his three-point range and intimidates. For instance, Barnes averaged 9 points per game last year with Orlando, mostly on a steady diet of outside shots.
However, the Mohawk's greatest asset is his intensity. In 2007, he was an integral part of the Golden State Warriors improbable upset of the Dallas Mavericks. And last season he declared viral jihad via twitter against the Los Angeles Lakers' Lamar Odom.
And apparently I'm not the only spurs fan thinking Matt Barnes has some Bowen qualities....
http://projectspurs.com/2010-article...e-defense.html
The Spurs tried to bring in others to be the next "Bowen." Ime Udoka was one of them but was too slow to be an effective wing defender and didn't pan out. Keith Bogans was brought in last season and again, he could not duplicate what Bowen brought to the Spurs. George Hill has promise but he is too short to consistently defend the perimeter effectively against bigger players.
The Spurs have to find a capable wing defender to help bring the Spurs defense to where it was --- among the best in the entire league.
Maybe the Spurs already have the answer in Malik Hairston or Alonzo Gee. Hairston has proved to be a capable perimeter defender in short stretches last year. While Gee has the athletic ability to body-up his opponents not to mention he can score.
Free-agent Matt Barnes is an intriguing prospect in this role and he could fit well with a veteran team like the Spurs but do the Spurs have the financial means to sign him?
And quite honestly if having an argument and being sent to the locker room is enough to turn you off to a player, then you need to reduce your meds, lest you lose your pulse.
There is nothing different about the at ude of Barnes when you compare it to a guy like Stephen Jackson was here.
i don't think he'll come over (Barnes), but the thing that worries me about his 3 point shooting, is that he shot like 30% from behind the arc. his percentage last year is comparable to RJ's. we all know how great RJ stretched the defense for us. Barnes played ina system where he was allowed to have the liberty to shoot basically whenever he wanted. it was more quan y than quality of shots. it's a different system here and he wouldn't be nearly as effective from downtown.
So he didn't lock down anybody. I mean, Allen was in the Finals, not Barnes.
And the time he made it to the finals, he didn't lock down anybody either.
That's not to say he's not an above average defender, but Bowen was in another level entirely.
And intensity can be good and bad. Bowen was all over people and worked his ass off, but when the game ended that's where it all that ended too. Barnes seem to have the problem that other guys get into his head as much as he gets into other people's head. That's winning half the battle while losing the other half.
The only thing intriguing about Barnes is wether he can keep his cool for one entire season or if Pop is going to ship his big mouthed ass out of town by the trade deadline. He's definitely an above average defender, and he can shoot, but when you keep wearing out your welcome every season or two on every team you play for, you need to get yourself checked.
I'm not really concerned about Barnes affecting the locker room. I think we have very good vets there to keep stuff at bay. What concerns me is that he's more of a Rodman type of player where he's more interested in himself than the team. Sure, he wants to win, but just to show people wrong and to earn other people's respect and not necessarily because he's aligned with the team goals.
True, but Jack didn't stick around too long either, did he?
Meh, we're discussing the type of players this organization hires on a regular basis, not what I would do or not do.
If Barnes wasn't such a re , he would have made much more money with his talent and tools. However, he'll always be a journeyman-LLE type of player. He can't compensate what he lacks between his ears.
Barnes shot 40% after being inserted into the starting lineup. (50-124). That would be his role if signed by the spurs, a starter 25-27 min type player exactly how SVG used him over in Orlando.
Fact is smartass is that Jefferson is the most realistic option and viable option go read post 41 and 48 so u can be reminded on the scenario that has played out.. All those sign and trade ideas were far-fetched and unrealistic but posters like you didn't see that and rubbed one out on a make believe scenario where Spurs could net Bruce Bowen in a sign and trade.
Matt Barnes hasn't landed a long term contract. Neither have a lot of players, for various reasons. Doesn't mean he hasn't made millions of dollars playing a game where you throw an inflated leather ball threw a hoop. Does this necessarily indicate a lack of brainpower or perhaps it's just that Matt Barnes is already content with having made millions of dollars playing what amounts to a recreational sport.
Feeling a little fickle today are we?
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Long enough to be a cold blooded assassin from the wing and win a ring...
I think we'd all take that prior to the end of the Tim Duncan era one more time, no?
You do realize you might as well be adament on the spurs adding Elliott or Bowen ..barnes ain't coming here
, You act as if he has turned down big payouts from teams..The guy is a fringe NBA player and has been stop gap for a 1 or 2 seasons for every team he has played. If the spurs get him , great, if not, who cares bout him, but please dont act as if he plays basketball just for the fun of it and not the $. You did this same act about Tiago not coming this season and now are looking pretty stupid cause of it.
He came to the Spurs after eating humble pie in Venezuela. He left after his pride took over his head. Matt Barnes is a different story. He already thinks he's the .
We had a chance to do so last season and we didn't. I think in some ways the FO thinks that ship has already sailed.
It's interesting how you just change your argument once one of them fizzles out.
What argument did I change? Honest question.
I admit I was wrong about Splitter but not in the way you are implying. Splitter shocked everyone by signing for much less and proving that $$ wasn't his priority, rather playing in the nba and proving himself in a better league is more important than the money.
And for a guy who has been a starter virtually everywhere he's gone, "fringe" and "stopgap" aren't words I'd use to describe Barnes' typical roles. Barnes seems like he might be cut from the same cloth as Splitter, where $$$$ and the most lucrative long term contract just isn't a huge priority to him, and when its all said and done he'll still have millions of dollars.
1. Barnes has turned down the Spurs in the past on more than one occasion; which was before his true character came to light(which is not Spur/pop-like)
2. Barnes has yet to mention the Spurs as potential targets via Twitter and all media outlits.
3. It's well do ented Pop has not been high on Barnes in recent years (hence no interest has been linked on spurs side)...
It's basic math .. 1+2+3= Barnes coming to SA is a waste of a discussion. The guy ain't coming here.
Go back and read your posts in this thread. When someone shoots down your argument you suddenly change your position. It's annoying having a discussion with someone who constantly sidesteps and makes up new just to try to keep arguing. It'd be nice if you had a position to just state it instead of throwing feces at others who state theirs.
This is true...Sounds like Barnes will probably end up in cleveland and hopefully soon so we can see this thread dissappear.
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