Top 30 Spurs Small Forward Free Agent Targets

[Mel_13]

David Aldridge:

As of late Sunday, according to a source, the Cavs were still in the running for Barnes -- though their opposition was formidable, with the Lakers, Celtics and Heat, along with Toronto, all making strong pitches.

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/feature...s=iref:nbahpt1

[ElNono]

Go back and read your posts in this thread. When someone shoots down your argument you suddenly change your position.

link please

It's annoying having a discussion with someone who constantly sidesteps and makes up new just to try to keep arguing. It'd be nice if you had a position to just state it instead of throwing feces at others who state theirs.

You're not trying to have a discussion with anybody either, but I don't come ing at you, do I?

I stated my point quite clearly in the very first post I made in this thread about the current Barnes fellatio:

I don't think Barnes is the kind of player RC talks about when he says players for this team need to have certain character fiber. Sure, we have had some misfits before, like Glenn Robinson, but they were already on their way out of the league pretty much.

I just don't see Pop putting up with his at ude.

People responded to it and it turned into a conversation where I sustain my point and other people argue against it. You know, just like how forums work.

I couldn't care less if my posts annoy you at all. Feel free to skip right through them.

[RiverwalkParade]

Have faith in our front office. Regardless of who it is we bring in, someone will be brought in and it will make sense when it happens.

Although it was a failed experiment, the RJ trade made us all excited last offseason and it came out of nowhere.

Rasho being traded was out of the blue too. Ithink everyone could agree his time to go was then, and the FO pulled the trigger.

I expect a S&T of some sort that will light this place on fire.

Have faith, the FO is methodical, logical and wants to win one more for Tim will being mindful of the future of this franchise.

[TJastal]

1. Barnes has turned down the Spurs in the past on more than one occasion; which was before his true character came to light(which is not Spur/pop-like)
2. Barnes has yet to mention the Spurs as potential targets via Twitter and all media outlits.
3. It's well do ented Pop has not been high on Barnes in recent years (hence no interest has been linked on spurs side)...

It's basic math .. 1+2+3= Barnes coming to SA is a waste of a discussion. The guy ain't coming here.

So according to you he's been on the radar already, but now that his true character has come to light (as an all around intense guy who likes to win) Pop's got cold feet. Typical fickle Pop/F.O. Options dryin' up though, pretty soon I'll bet you Pop is going to cast aside the superficial chagrin and get serious about signing this guy.

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba-news-an...nd-brad-miller

HoopsVibe’s Very Quick Call: How exactly does Matt Barnes and Brad Miller fit owner Dan Gilbert’s caps-locked and bolded text declaration that his Cleveland Cavaliers would win a championship before the ‘self declared king’ LeBron James?

No offence to any of the parties involved. This won’t work.

Barnes and Miller are established veterans. They need to join a contender on the verge of a championship.

Wait, could that be.. the spurs?

[Obstructed_View]

link please

Ah, so it wasn't an honest question. Thanks for making that clear.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

David Aldridge:

As of late Sunday, according to a source, the Cavs were still in the running for Barnes -- though their opposition was formidable, with the Lakers, Celtics and Heat, along with Toronto, all making strong pitches.

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/feature...s=iref:nbahpt1

Hmmm, if the Cavs are making a push, they've got a bit more loose change floating around than us right now...

[ElNono]

Ah, so it wasn't an honest question. Thanks for making that clear.

I'm asking you to show where I changed my argument. I'm not claiming that I did not change it, because, frankly, I wrote about many players in this thread, from TMac to RMJ to Barnes.

However, since you're so adamant to point it out, I'm asking you to show me where I did that. It was an honest question that never received an answer, just some bitter comebacks and remarks.

[yavozerb]

Brian Windhorst: #Cavs had further talks with F Matt Barnes. Interest is mutual. Cavs like his toughness, Barnes looking for PT. Talks likely to continue Twitter

[ElNono]

Cavs should have put forth a good offer if he's listening. There's nothing for him there other than money.

At the same time, that might be why he hasn't committed with them yet.

[ceperez]

I'm asking you to show where I changed my argument. I'm not claiming that I did not change it, because, frankly, I wrote about many players in this thread, from TMac to RMJ to Barnes.

However, since you're so adamant to point it out, I'm asking you to show me where I did that. It was an honest question that never received an answer, just some bitter comebacks and remarks.

Agree... Obstructed_View should be banned from the forum.

[ElNono]

Agree... Obstructed_View should be banned from the forum.

I disagree.

[ElNono]

And FWIW, I reserve the right to change my mind if somebody presents better arguments. I don't pretend to know it all or be so obtuse as to never learn anything from an exchange with a fellow poster.

[timvp]

We've talked about how RJ's stock has fallen thanks to teams running out of money. But once Barnes gets off the market, doesn't RJ's stock have to start rising due to, at least, supply and demand? He'd basically be the last decent small forward available. That could help push up his value.

And it probably explains why his agent is in a holding pattern. He's probably hoping a team will get desperate once RJ is the last possible impact player on the market . . .

[Obstructed_View]

I'm asking you to show where I changed my argument. I'm not claiming that I did not change it, because, frankly, I wrote about many players in this thread, from TMac to RMJ to Barnes.

However, since you're so adamant to point it out, I'm asking you to show me where I did that. It was an honest question that never received an answer, just some bitter comebacks and remarks.

If you really want to know (though I don't think you do)
"Barnes is not a good character guy" turned to "well I don't think the Spurs would think he's a good character guy" to "well he probably wouldn't stick around" to "well the Spurs think their window is closed so they wouldn't get him".

There's your answer. I'm not going to go back and link quotes for you; it's not worth the effort. You're welcome to claim victory because I didn't do it the way you asked me to. I wouldn't have pointed it out if I didn't think your posts were valuable but sometimes your arguments grow tiresome and can easily get us off track, and I don't think it's intentional in any way.

[Obstructed_View]

Agree... Obstructed_View should be banned from the forum.

You're an idiot.

[Obstructed_View]

We've talked about how RJ's stock has fallen thanks to teams running out of money. But once Barnes gets off the market, doesn't RJ's stock have to start rising due to, at least, supply and demand. He'd basically be the last decent small forward available. That could help push up his value.

And it probably explains why his agent is in a holding pattern. He's probably hoping a team will get desperate once RJ is the last possible impact player on the market . . .

Agreed. There are still teams with money that are going to want a name for their dollars so they can justify to their boss/fanbase that they didn't strike out during such a historic FA period.

[MaNu4Tres]

So according to you he's been on the radar already, but now that his true character has come to light (as an all around intense guy who likes to win) Pop's got cold feet. Typical fickle Pop/F.O. Options dryin' up though, pretty soon I'll bet you Pop is going to cast aside the superficial chagrin and get serious about signing this guy.

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba-news-an...nd-brad-miller

HoopsVibe’s Very Quick Call: How exactly does Matt Barnes and Brad Miller fit owner Dan Gilbert’s caps-locked and bolded text declaration that his Cleveland Cavaliers would win a championship before the ‘self declared king’ LeBron James?

No offence to any of the parties involved. This won’t work.

Barnes and Miller are established veterans. They need to join a contender on the verge of a championship.



You do realize even if Spurs were interested and wanted to sign Barnes(which is obviously not the case to begin with), Barnes would actually have to choose the Spurs over the other 6-8 teams interested in him. The fact that's he's turned the Spurs down on more than one occasion in their prime championship years makes your Barnes dream in silver in Black very unrealistic.

Wait, could that be.. the spurs?

[MaNu4Tres]

Apparently responding via phone has it's faults .. My response starts with and ends with unrealistic in the quote.

[ElNono]

If you really want to know (though I don't think you do)
"Barnes is not a good character guy" turned to "well I don't think the Spurs would think he's a good character guy" to "well he probably wouldn't stick around" to "well the Spurs think their window is closed so they wouldn't get him".

There's your answer. I'm not going to go back and link quotes for you; it's not worth the effort. You're welcome to claim victory because I didn't do it the way you asked me to. I wouldn't have pointed it out if I didn't think your posts were valuable but sometimes your arguments grow tiresome and can easily get us off track, and I don't think it's intentional in any way.

Thanks for taking the time to point it out. I don't claim victories, unless it's trolling whottt.

I just don't think you've followed the thread in it's entirety if that's what you got out of it. Either that, or I simply might have not expressed myself well enough. The only thing I can remit anybody to is my first post on the subject:

I don't think Barnes is the kind of player RC talks about when he says players for this team need to have certain character fiber. Sure, we have had some misfits before, like Glenn Robinson, but they were already on their way out of the league pretty much.

I just don't see Pop putting up with his at ude.

My whole 'ship has sailed' comment about Jack has nothing to do with thinking the window has closed, so I don't know why you would take it like that. What I was pointing out was that when Jack came to the Spurs he was a humble kid trying to make the NBA, and once his ego got the best of him, the Spurs just let him walk. Pop always has nice words for Jack (a player I personally love) but when the chance was there to get him, they passed.

So, you know, I'm analyzing the situation from that angle. I can be wrong. I'm all ears to hear another theory.

In all honesty, this subject really got offtrack when somebody, in their current and temporary jerking off to Matt Barnes, attempted to equal him to Bruce Bowen. Something that for me is not negotiable, and especially when it's a slow day at work over here, so I had to go at it.

[TJastal]

Barnes won't play for the minimum, guy still wants a reasonable contract which isn't what the celtics, lakers and heat are offering, and he's not interested. Only team talking to him right now is the cavs and they are going to be bottom feeders for the next century.

I would bet he would jump at the chance to play for the spurs now (so-called past rejections aside) at reasonable 2 yr 6-7m type contract.

[ElNono]

I would bet he would jump at the chance to play for the spurs now (so-called past rejections aside) at reasonable 2 yr 6-7m type contract.

I don't think we have that kind of money, do we? I think we have $2.5m left from the MLE and even with a 10% increase for next season that would be $2.75m. That's closer to a $5m deal for 2 seasons.

[MaNu4Tres]

Barnes won't play for the minimum, guy still wants a reasonable contract which isn't what the celtics, lakers and heat are offering, and he's not interested. Only team talking to him right now is the cavs and they are going to be bottom feeders for the next century.

I would bet he would jump at the chance to play for the spurs now (so-called past rejections aside) at reasonable 2 yr 6-7m type contract.

read Mel13's last post and google his Twitter and see what options are realistic or any other media outlit..

Before you do that .. Since you said you are willing to bet... How much? I'm sure we can get something set up via paypal.

[TJastal]

I don't think we have that kind of money, do we? I think we have $2.5m left from the MLE and even with a 10% increase for next season that would be $2.75m. That's closer to a $5m deal for 2 seasons.

I'm sure that would be enough for Barnes. It's not like he has a history of holding out for huge long term deals.


I think Matt Barnes is looking for two simple things in his next destination:

Championship contender? Check.
Reasonable salary? Check.

[TJastal]

Add this to Barnes wish list (that I forgot):

Playing time: Check (would get spurs SF starting role)

[TJastal]

read Mel13's last post and google his Twitter and see what options are realistic or any other media outlit..

Before you do that .. Since you said you are willing to bet... How much? I'm sure we can get something set up via paypal.

http://dimemag.com/2010/07/nba-rumor...-to-cleveland/

All I can find concerning rumours about Barnes is the cavs' are trying to lock him up in a long term contract. And I highly doubt Cleveland is high on his list of destinations. If he signed there, it would be for the $$$ & PT only.

So why aren't the spurs calling this guy? He could be easily persuaded to come to a le contender for a reasonable 2yr/5m type LLE contract. As a starter for the magic last year he shot 40% from long range and played excellent defense, as well as being very active on the boards (spurs can defenitely use that when Bonner hits the floor).