RJ's Contract Details

[ElNono]

why dont we see other teams doing it?

Because you don't read...

Two examples here.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...&postcount=575

Heck, there's a July 1 thread right here in Spurstalk about it.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157690

[migs21]

Jefferson's opt out pays off in new deal with Spurs

-Sources tells TNT's David Aldridge that forward Richard Jefferson's new contract with the San Antonio Spurs, officially announced on Wednesday, is for four years and $38.8 million, with a player option for the final season at a little more than $11 million.

Jefferson had opted out of the final year of his contract with the Spurs, which would have paid him $15 million next season, in order to test free agency. But most league officials believed the 30-year-old Jefferson would re-sign with the Spurs, who acquired him from Milwaukee last summer in a deal with the Bucks for Bruce Bowen and Kurt Thomas. Jefferson struggled for much of last season with the Spurs as he learned Gregg Popovich's system, averaging just 12.3 points, his lowest average since his rookie season.

But veteran players usually take at least a year or two to fully pick up the Spurs' complex offensive and defensive systems, and tend to improve greatly in their second or third season. The Spurs anticipate that Jefferson, a career 47 percent shooter, will return to his normal form next season.

Jefferson will make back all of the $15 million he gave up this year -- he will earn more than $27 million in the first three years of the deal -- and now has some security that he will not be a free agent in a summer where the possibility of a lockout by owners to get a new Collective Bargaining Agreement is increasingly likely.

By bringing Jefferson back for almost $7 million less than than he was scheduled the make, the Spurs were also able to bring over their 2007 first-round pick, Brazilian center Tiago Splitter -- considered the best big man in Europe -- and re-sign forward Matt Bonner for less in total than what they would have paid for Jefferson alone under his old deal. Splitter, who should be a significant part of the rotation next season, agreed to a three-year, $10 million deal, and Bonner returned to San Antonio on a four-year deal.

Spurs owner Peter Holt has committed to paying luxury tax again next season and in 2011-12, the final two years of star center Tim Duncan's contract. After that, San Antonio is likely to rebuild around Splitter -- who will be up for a new deal by then -- guards George Hill and Manu Ginobili, whom the team signed to a three-year, $38 million extension last season, and second-year forward DeJuan Blair.

-- posted 7/21/10, 7:35 p.m.

[Pauleta14]

For everyone flipping out...
RJ was a bad fit last season, but the Spurs aren't crazy. They must have had some indicator that he would change. He ruined the spacing most of the time when he was on the court. That's the major thing that needs to change - not his scoring or defense.

I know everyone is flipping out because the Spurs didn't make big changes this summer, but despite the sweep - I don't think the Spurs needed to change that much.

A healthy Parker will make a huge difference. You guys somehow are forgetting how good he was when healthy the season before. He was one of the best players in the league.

Splitter will make a big difference (hopefully). His size will obviously be a big asset. Plus they won't have to overuse Bonner. Despite the Bonner hate on the forum, as a role player, he's not atrocious. He just isn't a starting center or a guy who should be relied on in the clutch. Splitter's presence will also allow the Spurs to manage McDyess's minutes. He obviously wakes up in the second half of the season, so the Spurs can limit him early on.

Though I think the George Hill point guard experiment failed, many of you don't. I think he'll continue to be used as a combo guard - more so an off guard. He should continue to develop on both ends of the court and becoming increasingly important to the team. He obviously believes in the Spurs' mantra and is a worker. So I expect him to continue making strides.

If Tony is healthy, then Manu/Tim won't get so worn down throughout the season. Last year, they had to do too much - Tim early in the season and Manu in the second half of the year. By the playoffs, they were both often losing their legs during games.

Blair can beast. You know he can. He just needs to get some more defensive basics down and he'll be a big asset to this team.

And don't throw in the towel on any other changes...just maybe not right now. If the Spurs start losing a lot during the season, they have a big trading chip in Parker.

[elemento]

Well whiner, I doubt that anything can make you happy. All you ever do is , and some more. Go out and get a job so that you can then work on getting a life!!!

U mad?

Actually Splitter signing was the happiest part of this offseason. Don't u think so ?

I guess only Bruno can say the truth in ST and don't get blamed ..

the rest has to say AMEN to everything that the FO does, right?

and i do have job =) not right to fight

[MaNu4Tres]

Not far fetched at all. Was contemplated at least twice this offseason alone:.

I disagree.

Please name me 3 trades as such in the past 15 years. Where two free agents are signed and traded and swapped from team to team.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

At least the short bus crew of this forum can rejoice, with Parker's extension looking like it's in major jeopardy.

This.

I'm telling you people, this FO is living off juice from years ago....it's consistently had horrible FA summers for the longest time now.


ing bonner and RJ guarantee and we may lose Parker to spurs politics......

[DesignatedT]

Because you don't read...

Two examples here.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...&postcount=575

Heck, there's a July 1 thread right here in Spurstalk about it.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157690

? how about an example that actually happened

[DesignatedT]

Because it's a fantasy- far-fetched- unrealistic scenario.

oh okay. thanks for clearing that up

[HarlemHeat37]

[My Fault]

Not far fetched at all. Was contemplated at least twice this offseason alone:

Example one:
If Bosh settles on the New York Knicks, the Raptors would try to engage in a double sign-and-trade that sends Knicks forward David Lee(notes) to Toronto

Example two:
Brian Windhorst of Cleveland.com reports that Dallas and Cleveland could be entertaining the idea of a double sign-and-trade between Haywood and Cavs center Shaquille O'Neal.

And no, the only thing you need is to find a team that wants one of your players and that both players get offered a good enough contract they're willing to sign (I mean, we're paying Bonner the same Raja Bell signed up for).
The only impediment really is that you'll be crazy to find a team willing to pay RJ 4/$40m...

Yes but you both teams and players wanting to make the switch. So four parties have to agree and want the switch. Highly unlikely to find such deal going down. Is it really that hard to comprehend?

[SouthTexasRancher]

U mad?

Actually Splitter signing was the happiest part of this offseason. Don't u think so ?

I guess only Bruno can say the truth in ST and don't get blamed ..

the rest has to say AMEN to everything that the FO does, right?

and i do have job =) not right to fight

See, now don't you feel better! Take a deep breath once in a while...it'll help you live longer! Stress is not good...!

[Das Texan]

I want to prove me wrong.


I also fully expect Tony to sign his extension before New Years.


If Blair can add a consistent mid range jumper and can stop being virtually useless, this team is going to go places, as long as everyone stays healthy (which applies to every team in this league)

[ElNono]

I disagree.

Please name me 3 trades as such in the past 15 years.

- Ben Wallace and Chucky Atkins for Grant Hill
- Chicago trading Eddy Curry to New York
- Toronto trades Marion, Humphries, Jawai, 2nd round pick in 2016, and cash in exchange for Turkoglu, Wright, and George (this was actually a 4 team trade, with double sign and trade involved)

[ElNono]

? how about an example that actually happened

I just listed 3.

They happen for teams that look for them. We're obviously not that kind of team.

[ElNono]

Yes but you both teams and players wanting to make the switch. So four parties have to agree and want the switch. Highly unlikely to find such deal going down. Is it really that hard to comprehend?

I'm not going to tell you that it's simple and that you can pull it off. But if you sign your guy right away, you can't do a sign and trade later. And you simply are cutting short your own options.

[rmt]

Stupidest move this franchise has ever made, ever.

I still think Scola was the worst. Subtract Bonner, add Scola (no need for Dice) and instead use the MLE last year for Ariza (long SF who can defend and hit the 3) - therefore no RJ. Scola, Ariza, Splitter (only newbie) - I think Spurs can beat the Lakers and a first-year Bosh/Wade/Lebron/no bench team.

Over 9 million a year for a 30 year old who was sat down in crunch-time for about half the playoff games, averaged about 9 points a game in the playoffs, and who only had about 3 good playoff games out of 10, and lost his supposed 4th scorer responsibilities to George Hill and even got benched in the regular season . . .

I can see why some people aren't jumping for joy.

I totally agree. No one's mentioning the drop in RJ's production in the playoffs in more minutes:
RS 12.3 in 31.1mins. 32 3pt%
Playoffs 9.4 in 33.4mins. 20 3pt% (RJ's defender sagged off him & clogged the lane)

In contrast, George Hill had 13.4 in 34.4mins (38 3pt%) - 4 more points in 1 more minute. And no one had to run plays for Hill or make accommodations for him. I guess Hill must be much smarter than RJ if a 2nd year player can figure it out but the 8 year veteran can't.

Of course we are but the point is that while we got swept by the Suns we did beat a very good Dallas team. People want to make it seem that last years squad was light years away from doing anything.

The Dallas series was very close. Dice played out of his mind guarding Dirk and Roddy B. was not played enough. Either one of those things changes and it's another first round loss. The sweep by the Suns was downright embarrassing.

Bruce Bowen>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>RJ

I really, really appreciate Bowen now and how well the 07 Spurs team was seamlessly constructed - not much talent but all the pieces fit. RJ can neither defend nor hit the 3. Why does anyone think that he'll be motivated to play better now he's got a nice, fat (undeserving) 4 year contract?

[ElNono]

This is water under the bridge anyways. RJ is here and we're rolling with him. Same with Bonner. I'd just like to stop hearing 3 things that are simply not true:

1) We couldn't have done anything else
2) Pop was working up RJ during the summer
3) Ian Mahinmi is not a scrub (lol mavfan )

[Obstructed_View]

Now they can pick up Bogans for the rest of the LLE and they're all set.

[ohmwrecker]

I'd just like to stop hearing 3 things that are simply not true:

2) Pop was working up RJ during the summer

This has already been debated and you can't prove it's not true.

[Obstructed_View]

This has already been debated and you can't prove it's not true.

If you don't cite RJ's quote where he specifically says that he's out of shape and has only been working out a few days, it's probably fairly hard to prove.

[Danny.Zhu]

Oh no. 36m is the most I could accept.

[elemento]

This is water under the bridge anyways. RJ is here and we're rolling with him. Same with Bonner. I'd just like to stop hearing 3 things that are simply not true:

1) We couldn't have done anything else
2) Pop was working up RJ during the summer
3) Ian Mahinmi is not a scrub (lol mavfan )

FTW

Now the deal is done. I just hope RJ can prove me wrong !!

From Bonner as just expect to see him in bench as much as possible !!

Hopefully Splitter's game translates well to NBA !! Anderson's game too. I have a feeling Anderson is going to become our new official 3-point shooter.

[DesignatedT]

Now they can pick up Bogans for the rest of the LLE and they're all set.

[DPG21920]

Can we start a "4 more years" presidential chant for RJ?

[galvatron3000]

I don't have a problem with Rj resgning because I do believe he will improve being in his second season, my problem is I didn't want his contract to be bad and he just doesn't fit. Now I can live with his contract and he should fit better this year I still would like at least a backup Sf and if Temple can be the player I think he can at point then perhaps Hill may need to be traded, either way I am overall pleased because the RJ contract was under my (Hopeful) 39 million and fell to a lil over 38, so I'm pleased. Mostly because he may be easier to move if need be with that deal.