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    dangerous floater Winehole23's Avatar
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    Yeah, I'm referring to dessert wines and "kid" wines like boone's strawberry hill and other koolaid flavors that run $3 a bottle......
    Two different things. Moscato is made from the grape of the same name; Boone's Farm is flavored apple wine, take em or leave em.

    For example, in France it would probably be a jailhouse crime to call flavored apple wine "wine" on the label. But here, it's totally halal, with the detriment to wine's reputability you just high-lighted.

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    I'll probably at least double that next year. I'm going to root a ton of new plants when I prune this fall.

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    If by "force others to do research" you mean that I refuse to Google for others, then I'm guilty as charged.
    If you claim evidence Darrin, then it is your burden to prove it. That's just debating 101. I could claim the moon was made out of cheese, but it's my burden to prove that, not yours. That's what prevents people from making asinine claims in the first place. Why should I take the time to look for something you already previously found?

    Do your term papers have "Go to a library"? written in the bibliography?

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    So anyone in here make their own wine? I've planted about 300' of grapevines so far (two varieties) that should start bearing next year. I'm looking forward to playing with it. I'm hoping to put up a decent table wine.
    Nice. I'd be interested to hear how it goes.

    What did you plant, and in what general area of Texas, may i ask?

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    俺はまんこが大好きなんだよ baseline bum's Avatar
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    DarrinS post template:

    Link to an article
    Produce a strawman
    Claim evidence
    Force others to do research
    Create another strawman
    Create a strawman off the 2nd strawman when 2nd strawman is rebunked
    Meaningless trite remark

    Claim victory
    At least DarrinS' wine's for s tangent has saved the thread.

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    What actions would those be?
    I was referring to their actions in general over the past 10 years or so, not neccessarily regarding race but in the direction they've pushed the country or attempted to focus our attention on useless (which, of course, the Democrats are also guilty of). I thought about just keeping it to that period of time from 2000-2010, since that's where most of the criticism comes from, but then I recalled how Reagan's economic policies were also a strong source of contention. A bit off topic, but it flows with the statements I gave after it about how neither party really gives a .

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    dangerous floater Winehole23's Avatar
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    At least DarrinS' wine's for s tangent has saved the thread.
    Your silver lining, not mine.

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    dangerous floater Winehole23's Avatar
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    If by "force others to do research" you mean that I refuse to Google for others, then I'm guilty as charged.
    It's your ongoing refusal to back up your own bs that really grates.

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    Nice. I'd be interested to hear how it goes.

    What did you plant, and in what general area of Texas, may i ask?
    My place is South of SA Between Poteet and Devine. About 10 miles south of Somerset if you know where that is.

    So far I've got two rows of 16 vines each. Obviously on trellis wire and I'm cordon pruning. They are on a drip irrigation system.

    One row is a hybrid of "Black Spanish" which is also known as "Lenoir". The hybrid is called "Favorite".

    The other row is a hybrid developed at the University of Florida called "Conquistador". As far as I know I'm the only one in Texas growing Conquistador right now...

    Both are Pierce resistant red seeded grapes good both for table grapes and wine.

    I've been EXTREMELY pleased with how healthy they are and how quickly they have grown. I have used ZERO fertilize or pesticide which is UNHEARD of for grapes in Texas.

    The "favorite" grapes tend to be bold and acidic and the "conquistador" milder and sweeter. I'll be working towards a suitable blend of the two.

    I'll probably plant another 60 or so vines next spring if my cuttings root.

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    the birther has morphed to emo.

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    the birther has morphed to emo.
    huh?

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    not you, cowboy.

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    My place is South of SA Between Poteet and Devine. About 10 miles south of Somerset if you know where that is.

    So far I've got two rows of 16 vines each. Obviously on trellis wire and I'm cordon pruning. They are on a drip irrigation system.

    One row is a hybrid of "Black Spanish" which is also known as "Lenoir". The hybrid is called "Favorite".
    I've had Black Spanish a handful of times. Unique flavor.

    The other row is a hybrid developed at the University of Florida called "Conquistador". As far as I know I'm the only one in Texas growing Conquistador right now...

    Both are Pierce resistant red seeded grapes good both for table grapes and wine.
    Neat stuff, CC.

    I've been EXTREMELY pleased with how healthy they are and how quickly they have grown. I have used ZERO fertilize or pesticide which is UNHEARD of for grapes in Texas.

    The "favorite" grapes tend to be bold and acidic and the "conquistador" milder and sweeter. I'll be working towards a suitable blend of the two.

    I'll probably plant another 60 or so vines next spring if my cuttings root.
    Acidic brightness accompanies food and is a must for sweet wines; smoother wines sometimes taste better on all their own.

    Table/jug wine:Proprietor's Reserve wine:: .......

    Some commercial outfits wait until the fourth or fifth leaf before they bottle it, but there's no reason at all you should.

    Good luck with all that CC. Sounds like you'll have some fun.

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    Y'all have red sand there?

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    It's a red sand/clay mix. 7.5 PH.

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    Acidic brightness accompanies food and is a must for sweet wines; smoother wines sometimes taste better on all their own.

    Table/jug wine:Proprietor's Reserve wine:: .......

    Some commercial outfits wait until the fourth or fifth leaf before they bottle it, but there's no reason at all you should.
    Thats why I started relatively small. I wanted to make sure they would be healthy and hardy here. Like I said, I've been really pleased.

    I've also planted about a hundred olive trees. About half Arbequenas, some Missions, Manzanillas, Lecchinos and a few Pendolino's for fertilization.

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    I suppose you have the olive press, too. Or do you just borrow a neighbor's?

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    Are the figures in the OP wrong? Because I can back them up.
    If by "force others to do research" you mean that I refuse to Google for others, then I'm guilty as charged.
    you're guilty of being an asshat liar.

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    I suppose you have the olive press, too. Or do you just borrow a neighbor's?
    Nope. I'm not sure what I'm gonna do there yet. I might make one. I'm pretty technically proficient.

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    That's what prevents people from making asinine claims in the first place.
    Not everybody.

    Do your term papers have "Go to a library"? written in the bibliography?
    To be fair, that is what a bibliography is for. So you can check.

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    Nope. I'm not sure what I'm gonna do there yet. I might make one. I'm pretty technically proficient.
    Do olives fruit right away, or does it take em awhile?

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    you're guilty of being an asshat liar.
    Are my pants on fire too?

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    No. You're self-depantsing.

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    Do olives fruit right away, or does it take em awhile?
    Mine will be 3 years old next year and should have some blooms/fruit. They really start to produce at 5 and then can live hundreds of years.

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    Neat stuff. You got it all, CC.

    Why are you wasting your time here?

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