View Poll Results: How many rings does MJ win if the Bulls signed a 24 year old Shaq after drafting him?

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  • Doesn't even win 6 rings

    5 13.51%
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    3 8.11%
  • wins 7-9 rings

    13 35.14%
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  1. #26
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    What was supposed to be funny about it?
    You got me.

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    I speak short bus though, that's how I knew it was a comedy attempt.

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    That's just how Pistonfan is in general so don't fault Jamstone. MJ ended their bad boy era which led to them sucking for a decade, so they hate MJ. Kobe shot the Lakers out of the finals in 2004 and gifted the Pistons a le, so they love Kobe.
    That's probably the main reason why I hated (past tense) Michael Jordan. But I give him his due praise. He's the GOAT. The best ever. And Kobe can't sniff his jock strap. Whether I hated him for ending the Bad Boys run or not, I would still say he's an ego-driven asshole. , I say the same of Kobe as a person. Kobe is a ing prick of a person who doesn't deserve the blessings he gets in life. But I appreciate Kobe the player, and I have admittedly become a Kobe apologist in large part because of the unrelenting and biased hate against him by Laker haters and Kobe haters alike.

    If I didn't grow up hating Jordan as a Pistons fan, I'd probably be the same way with Jordan.



    Can you blame him for that? I know that if I ever got cut from my HS team and then made the HoF in that respective sport I'd be sure to remind that coach about the mistake he made.
    Sure I can blame him, particularly because of what he did achieve in his professional basketball career and in life. Close to 30 years later, million upon millions of dollars later, achieving sports legend and world wide iconic status, he has a petty vendetta against a kid from high school who didn't even have anything to do with making the decision to cut him and a high school coach who probably provided the ammunition for him to become the greatest player ever. Sure I can blame him for holding that grudge 25-30 years later. How egomaniacal is that?

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    Sure I can blame him, particularly because of what he did achieve in his professional basketball career and in life. Close to 30 years later, million upon millions of dollars later, achieving sports legend and world wide iconic status, he has a petty vendetta against a kid from high school who didn't even have anything to do with making the decision to cut him and a high school coach who probably provided the ammunition for him to become the greatest player ever. Sure I can blame him for holding that grudge 25-30 years later. How egomaniacal is that?
    The grudge against the players is a bit much, but the coach I don't blame him at all. It's no different than the nerd who got picked on in high school and then went on to make tons of money and can't wait to get back to his 10 year high school reunion to show all the kids who were popular but amounted to nothing how big he made it.

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    Sure I can blame him, particularly because of what he did achieve in his professional basketball career and in life. Close to 30 years later, million upon millions of dollars later, achieving sports legend and world wide iconic status, he has a petty vendetta against a kid from high school who didn't even have anything to do with making the decision to cut him and a high school coach who probably provided the ammunition for him to become the greatest player ever. Sure I can blame him for holding that grudge 25-30 years later. How egomaniacal is that?
    You'll probably think I'm making excuses, but I don't think you can love his work ethic and motivation, his drive (which quite honestly was other worldly) and then bash the fact that he had irrationals feuds and pettiness. Those irrational feuds and pettiness is part of the reason why he was such an over achieving maniac in practice. It's part of his psychological makeup, flawed but perfect for a basketball player and leader.

    Besides from what I've read about him almost none of his teammates regret playing with him. They just acknowledge there were some hard times. And hey let's be honest a kick in the ass works better for some players than a pat in the behind.

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    I speak short bus though, that's how I knew it was a comedy attempt.
    I honestly don't think that's it, but I have no idea why that guy is claiming Kobe is his cousin.

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    That's just how Pistonfan is in general so don't fault Jamstone. MJ ended their bad boy era which led to them sucking for a decade, so they hate MJ. Kobe shot the Lakers out of the finals in 2004 and gifted the Pistons a le, so they love Kobe.
    In all fairness to Kobe, that Lakers team wasn't beating the Pistons either way. He still shot like , though.

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    In all fairness to Kobe, that Lakers team wasn't beating the Pistons either way. He still shot like , though.
    You don't think the Lakers win game 1 and keep home court advantage if Shaq gets more than 16 shots and Kobe doesn't go 10-27?

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    I honestly don't think that's it, but I have no idea why that guy is claiming Kobe is his cousin.
    A thread back, Dragic asked how I can possibly be a Laker fan, when I don't live in LA....well, given that inane approach to fandom, I stated Kobe's my cousin.

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    his team signed a 24 year old Shaq the off season he was drafted?

    We are trying to raise the bar, so I came up with a hypothetical worthy of discussion. Michael Jordan never had a dominant big man to play with, so I, Frank Lucas, pose the question to Spurstalk asking how many rings he would have won if the Bulls signed a 24 year old Shaq the Summer he was drafted.

    I personally believe he wins 10+ rings. Neither he nor Shaq had a real co-star till around their 6th or 7th years in the league, so in addition to the 6 he wins after his 7th season he wins 4 in his first 6.
    O'Neal, Jordan, Grant, and Pippen?

    They may run the table for 10 years.

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    A thread back, Dragic asked how I can possibly be a Laker fan, when I don't live in LA....well, given that inane approach to fandom, I stated Kobe's my cousin.
    Surely you have a sincere reason for why you're a Lakers fan?

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    I'm a Spurs fan from England, hey everybody Tim Duncan is my brother!!

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    Well imagine Longley and Cartwright replaced by a dominant Shaq. easily 7-9 rings.

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    Are people re ed on this board.....this isn't NBA 2k or Live....they would never win more than 3 max.

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    A thread back, Dragic asked how I can possibly be a Laker fan, when I don't live in LA....well, given that inane approach to fandom, I stated Kobe's my cousin.
    It was an attempt to be sarcastic? Then you were trying to be funny, because sarcasm is comedic. Right? My brain hurts from this.

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    Are people re ed on this board.....this isn't NBA 2k or Live....they would never win more than 3 max.
    wtf was gonna stop them? MJ would've won more than 3 if he didn't go play baseball.

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    You don't think the Lakers win game 1 and keep home court advantage if Shaq gets more than 16 shots and Kobe doesn't go 10-27?
    As you can see by the rest of the series, home court advantage was basically meaningless for the Lakers. They barely won game 2 because of a crazy shot by Kobe that sent it into overtime.

    The Pistons shut down everybody on that team outside of Shaq. They guarded Shaq, but they knew that their biggest concern was containing the role players. The Lakers weren't winning either way.

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    You'll probably think I'm making excuses, but I don't think you can love his work ethic and motivation, his drive (which quite honestly was other worldly) and then bash the fact that he had irrationals feuds and pettiness. Those irrational feuds and pettiness is part of the reason why he was such an over achieving maniac in practice. It's part of his psychological makeup, flawed but perfect for a basketball player and leader.

    Besides from what I've read about him almost none of his teammates regret playing with him. They just acknowledge there were some hard times. And hey let's be honest a kick in the ass works better for some players than a pat in the behind.
    I agree with that. And I understand why Michael Jordan was such a prick. Understanding that doesn't make him not a prick. He was a prick and still is a prick. But I realize that's part of his compe ive nature and the type of personality that was required for him to achieve the things he did.

    I criticize Jordan more so for continuing to be such a prick well after his playing days. I mean, 50 years old, time to let it go. Time to chill out. That's me though.

    And what former teammate is going to speak out against Michael Jordan? Let's be real. I think it's much more telling how he was as a teammate for the Wizards. More of those players have been more open about Michael Jordan as a teammate and a person.


    In all fairness to Kobe, that Lakers team wasn't beating the Pistons either way. He still shot like , though.
    Nope. If Kobe doesn't play Lone Ranger in an attempt to get a Finals MVP, the Lakers win the 2004 le, even with Karl Malone's injury.

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    As you can see by the rest of the series, home court advantage was basically meaningless for the Lakers. They barely won game 2 because of a crazy shot by Kobe that sent it into overtime.
    The home team won every game after game 1. Try again.

    The Pistons shut down everybody on that team outside of Shaq.
    Yet Shaq wasn't leading the team in shots, and for no reason other than Kobe was only willing to win if it was his way.

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    I agree with that. And I understand why Michael Jordan was such a prick. Understanding that doesn't make him not a prick. He was a prick and still is a prick. But I realize that's part of his compe ive nature and the type of personality that was required for him to achieve the things he did.
    The truly best players in every sport have to be nasty in order to be as dominant as they are. However, i never understood why MJ sometimes kept that same at ude off the court.

    Surprisingly, Kobe seems much more of a good person than Michael was. Kobe is always extremely humble in interviews. Giving credit to his teammates and other players. Naturally, though, you can expect a Spurs board to act with hostility towards him. The Spurs would have 3 more rings if not for Kobe.

    But there is no denying that in general, the guy is much a classier act than Jordan is.

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    The home team won every game after game 1. Try again.
    After game one, the Lakers played one more game at the Staples Center, and they barely won game 2. After that, they were pummeled in Detroit. Homecourt wasn't going to make everything better.


    Yet Shaq wasn't leading the team in shots, and for no reason other than Kobe was only willing to win if it was his way.
    I'm not saying that Kobe didn't hurt his team, I'm just saying that the Lakers were outmatched outside of Shaq and Kobe.

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    I'm not saying that Kobe didn't hurt his team, I'm just saying that the Lakers were outmatched outside of Shaq

    fify

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    The truly best players in every sport have to be nasty in order to be as dominant as they are. However, i never understood why MJ sometimes kept that same at ude off the court.

    Surprisingly, Kobe seems much more of a good person than Michael was. Kobe is always extremely humble in interviews. Giving credit to his teammates and other players. Naturally, though, you can expect a Spurs board to act with hostility towards him. The Spurs would have 3 more rings if not for Kobe.

    But there is no denying that in general, the guy is much a classier act than Jordan is.
    Tbh Jordan was very prepared and mostly PC during interviews in his playing days. We'll see how Kobe acts when he's been retired for ten years and he's out of the limelight.

    On a different topic, the "I root for the Lakers because Kobe's my cousin" line might be the worst joke/comeback/sarcastic insult in the 21st century. It was so bad no one could even understand it.

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    Hey, Kobe and everybody else was bricking their shots outside of Shaq. There's no argument there.

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    Hey, Kobe and everybody else was bricking their shots outside of Shaq. There's no argument there.

    Yet they weren't passing Shaq the ball.

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