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    yeah, but you know, Cosmic's use of the word "pilgrimage" was just a "coincidence".

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    Flat out history. That you guys didnt know. Take a seat class, bell is about to ring.

    Southern states tried to claim that the Cons ution was not the law of the land...that the Articles governed.

    Can anyone tell me why?

    Class?

    Thats right...because it was their way of sidestepping the protections in the cons ution that would eventually give rights to all men. They wanted the right to keep slavery in their own states, they wanted to keep on bigot'in as they saw fit. The Articles were the ultimate authority if your aim was to secure states' supremacy over the fed gov's progressive ways at the time.

    Homework for tonight: read up on this topic and I expect a report by tomorrow.
    So you are saying they argued States Rights of the 10th amendment, and the federal government violated it. Right? What part of the cons ution did they say was wrong?

    Again, show me instead of being a Kool-Aid drinking lemming, repeating what you leaned in an ins ution of indoctrination.

    If you know such things, you should be able to key word search the claim.

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    Regardless, its a valid question. It would clarify just what the Cosmic, Cobra and you are trying to imply!

    so... what exactly is the answer? or are you going to refuse to answer under the guise of another bull excuse?
    what exactly am I trying to imply? You want me to explain why I'm not a bigot. You effin idiot.

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    to commemorate it-no. Is it a valid question though? I don't know much about mic e obama. barry was raised by commies. thought it ok for blacks to seperate from american society. Condemned his grandmother for being a typical white person. Chose to hang out with marxists. Went to a black theology church with Rev Wright for 20 years. I think it is a valid question. Although it's ridiculous to think you can get a real answer, even if you get past his obamabots, from this administration.
    Its a valid question if you seek to score cheap political points in an attempt to paint the Obama's as something its already been proven they are not. In other words, you're making up bull to back up a bull claim that the Obama's are somehow tied to the muslim faith, which in and of itself seems to be a dirty word in America now a days.

    Though again, you give a two way answer. You don't think they went there because of some pilgrimage to commemorate muslim history but you think its a valid question? You are so transparent.

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    to commemorate it-no. Is it a valid question though? I don't know much about mic e obama. barry was raised by commies. thought it ok for blacks to seperate from american society. Condemned his grandmother for being a typical white person. Chose to hang out with marxists. Went to a black theology church with Rev Wright for 20 years. I think it is a valid question. Although it's ridiculous to think you can get a real answer, even if you get past his obamabots, from this administration.
    Yes, with their known associates, it's a valid question.

    MaNuMaNiAc...

    Why is it OK for the left to race-bait, but not the right?

    And why is point to a culture considered race? Isn't it cultural?

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    what exactly am I trying to imply?
    That's what we're asking you.

    Why did you edit after you wrote a long answer?
    yeah, but you know, Cosmic's use of the word "pilgrimage" was just a "coincidence".
    It's a coexistence!

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    Its a valid question if you seek to score cheap political points in an attempt to paint the Obama's as something its already been proven they are not. In other words, you're making up bull to back up a bull claim that the Obama's are somehow tied to the muslim faith, which in and of itself seems to be a dirty word in America now a days.
    that's cuz your a lil . What did I make up exactly? Just because you liberals are scared of the muslim word doesn't mean anything. You guys are racist.

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    Yes, with their known associates, it's a valid question.
    Which known associates are demanding the Muslim reconquest of Spain?

    Let's stick to this visit.

    MaNuMaNiAc...

    Why is it OK for the left to race-bait, but not the right?
    So, are you race baiting?

    Yes or no.

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    Yes, with their known associates, it's a valid question.

    MaNuMaNiAc...

    Why is it OK for the left to race-bait, but not the right?
    Its NOT ok for the left or the right to race bait. You know what else is not ok? to act like a child and play the "they did it first" crap as if that was a valid argument. I disagree that every criticism of Obama is tantamount to racism, just as much as I disagree with this bull claim that somehow Mic e Obama visited Alhambra on some kind of pilgrimage.

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    That's what we're asking you.

    Why did you edit after you wrote a long answer?
    It's a coexistence!
    cuz I remembered manumaniac is troll like you. I find it funny how you liberal trolls have hijacked this into name calling to us. race baiters are the biggest cowards. Instead of debating the issue, you focus on shutting it down. Because he put mic e in the wrong light. you guys are the racist ones. I wonder what you could say if it was Hillary.

    making fun of coincidence. who would have expected it?

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    Its NOT ok for the left or the right to race bait. You know what else is not ok? to act like a child and play the "they did it first" crap as if that was a valid argument. I disagree that every criticism of Obama is tantamount to racism, just as much as I disagree with this bull claim that somehow Mic e Obama visited Alhambra on some kind of pilgrimage.
    Is this moron playing middle man. Hey buddy thanks for the advice but you just called them, and possibly me, racist. Talk about child games.

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    Come on Cobra! Are you seriously going to sit there and pretend the word muslim hasn't acquired a negative connotation in politics now a days? (Regardless of how wrong I think that is, its a reality). Furthermore, are you seriously going to pretend you and the rest of the right in this forum doesn't throw accusations of muslim faith to paint the Obama's in precisely that negative light?

    Seriously, what do you take people for?

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    cuz I remembered manumaniac is troll like you. I find it funny how you liberal trolls have hijacked this into name calling to us. race baiters are the biggest cowards. Instead of debating the issue, you focus on shutting it down. Because he put mic e in the wrong light. you guys are the racist ones. I wonder what you could say if it was Hillary.
    Remember, I said you were an idiot first. You are proving to be a race baiter as well. I gave you the benefit of the doubt.

    making fun of coincidence. who would have expected it?
    CC said it was not a coincidence. You have been implying it was not a coincidence.

    This is why we are asking you what the you are trying to say. You're just too much of a pussy to come out and say it.

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    Is this moron playing middle man. Hey buddy thanks for the advice but you just called them, and possibly me, racist. Talk about child games.
    I am calling you and CC race baiters because you are race baiting.

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    cuz I remembered manumaniac is troll like you. I find it funny how you liberal trolls have hijacked this into name calling to us. race baiters are the biggest cowards. Instead of debating the issue, you focus on shutting it down. Because he put mic e in the wrong light. you guys are the racist ones. I wonder what you could say if it was Hillary.

    making fun of coincidence. who would have expected it?
    I'm a troll?

    I have yet to insult anyone in this thread and so far you've called me a little and a moron. So who the is actually trying to shut down the debate here?

    and I didn't call you a racist, I said what is being done in this thread by Cosmic and yourself is race baiting. It is what it is. You feeling insulted by that accusation doesn't make it any less true.

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    Its a valid question if you seek to score cheap political points in an attempt to paint the Obama's as something its already been proven they are not. In other words, you're making up bull to back up a bull claim that the Obama's are somehow tied to the muslim faith, which in and of itself seems to be a dirty word in America now a days.
    "My Muslim Faith." Slip of the tongue?

    "57 states." isn'rt that a number used in the Muslim world for established Muslim countries?

    According to Ali Abunimah, The Obama's were well known to him and the Palestinian community in Chicago.

    What does this mean to you lefties:
    In the late 1990s, Abunimah met Barack Obama when the latter was a representative in the Illinois state senate. “He [Obama] impressed me as progressive, intelligent and charismatic,” says Abunimah. “I distinctly remember thinking, ‘if only a man of this caliber could become president one day.’”

    In 2001 and 2002, the Woods Fund of Chicago, whose Board of Directors included Obama, made grants totaling $75,000 to Abunimah’s AAAN.

    According to journalist John Batchelor, Abunimah “has remembered Mr. Obama’s speaking in 1999 against ‘Israeli occupation’ at a charity event for a West Bank refugee camp; and Mr. Abunimah … has also recalled Mr. and Mrs. Obama at a fundraiser held for the then-Congressional candidate Obama in 2000 at Rashid and Mona Khalidi’s home, where Mr. Obama made convincing statements in support of the Palestinian cause.” “[Obama] came with his wife,” Abunimah said. “That’s where I had a chance to really talk to him. It was an intimate setting. He convinced me he was very aware of the issues [and] critical of U.S. bias toward Israel and lack of sensitivity to Arabs.... He was very supportive of U.S. pressure on Israel.”

    Said Abunimah in March 2007, “Over the years since I first saw Obama speak, I met him about half a dozen times, often at Palestinian and Arab-American community events in Chicago including a May 1998 community fundraiser at which Edward Said was the keynote speaker. In 2000, when Obama unsuccessfully ran for Congress I heard him speak at a campaign fundraiser hosted by a University of Chicago professor. On that occasion and others, Obama was forthright in his criticism of U.S. policy and his call for an even-handed approach to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.”

    In June 2007 Abunimah said, “When Obama first ran for the Senate in 2004, the Chicago Jewish News interviewed him on his stance regarding Israel’s security fence. He accused the Bush administration of neglecting the ‘Israeli-Palestinian’ situation and criticized the security fence built by Israel to prevent terror attacks: ‘The creation of a wall dividing the two nations is yet another example of the neglect of this administration in brokering peace,’ Obama was quoted as saying.”

    In January 2008, Abunimah told interviewer Amy Goodman: “I knew Barack Obama for many years as my state senator -- when he used to attend events in the Palestinian community in Chicago all the time. I remember personally introducing him onstage in 1999, when we had a major community fundraiser for the community center in Deheisha refugee camp in the occupied West Bank. And that’s just one example of how Barack Obama used to be very comfortable speaking up for and being associated with Palestinian rights and opposing the Israeli occupation.”
    Then there are also Mic e's college day remarks concerning Muslims. Out of time for now, but remind me to look for it if someone else doesn't find it first.

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    I've stated what I take you for. If you liberals are secretly hating muslims them that is on you. You libs are the ones who threw out the muslim . Parker calling someone such a effed up word, so nonchalantly, and sitting back and enjoying someone having to defend themselves. That is some sick .

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    Come on Cobra! Are you seriously going to sit there and pretend the word muslim hasn't acquired a negative connotation in politics now a days? (Regardless of how wrong I think that is, its a reality). Furthermore, are you seriously going to pretend you and the rest of the right in this forum doesn't throw accusations of muslim faith to paint the Obama's in precisely that negative light?

    Seriously, what do you take people for?
    SnC says we are currently at war with Barbary corsairs in the year 1450.

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    I'm a troll?

    I have yet to insult anyone in this thread and so far you've called me a little and a moron. So who the is actually trying to shut down the debate here?
    the debate: mic e obama taking an entourage on her 8th vacation this year? When you want to talk about that? troll.

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    I've stated what I take you for. If you liberals are secretly hating muslims them that is on you. You libs are the ones who threw out the muslim . Parker calling someone such a effed up word, so nonchalantly, and sitting back and enjoying someone having to defend themselves. That is some sick .
    CC brought up the Muslim angle.

    Why do you need to lie about that?

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    Come on Cobra! Are you seriously going to sit there and pretend the word muslim hasn't acquired a negative connotation in politics now a days? (Regardless of how wrong I think that is, its a reality). Furthermore, are you seriously going to pretend you and the rest of the right in this forum doesn't throw accusations of muslim faith to paint the Obama's in precisely that negative light?

    Seriously, what do you take people for?
    You're right. It's fun to say "Barack Hussein Obama." Not because of any racial connotations, but because people take it as such and make fools of themselves in doing so.

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    the debate: mic e obama taking an entourage on her 8th vacation this year? When you want to talk about that? troll.
    Why are you running away from the black Muslim angle you were so eager to embrace earlier?

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    "My Muslim Faith." Slip of the tongue?

    "57 states." isn'rt that a number used in the Muslim world for established Muslim countries?
    Aren't you a complete idiot?

    According to Ali Abunimah, The Obama's were well known to him and the Palestinian community in Chicago.

    What does this mean to you lefties:
    It means Obama met a dude.

    Then there are also Mic e's college day remarks concerning Muslims. Out of time for now, but remind me to look for it if someone else doesn't find it first.
    What are you trying to say?

    Spit it out.

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    I've stated what I take you for. If you liberals are secretly hating muslims them that is on you. You libs are the ones who threw out the muslim . Parker calling someone such a effed up word, so nonchalantly, and sitting back and enjoying someone having to defend themselves. That is some sick .
    @ the bull ! You seriously think you're fooling anyone?

    and I couldn't give two s what Parker called you or anyone else. I'm not the forum nanny, if he called you names take it up with him. It has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

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    I never called you a nanny.
    Topic you asked. What am I trying to assume right? I'm just saying that what CC said was not racist and it should be ok to ask mic e's first visit in spain was, coincidentally, also a very popular moor site. It probably has nothing to do with Mic e's degree in African American studies probably covered it. Wait should we be talking about this? Sorry, I'll tip the next black waitress more.


    wtf you talking about? fooling who?

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