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"A shadow" is a bit hyperbolic. He's in decline, no doubt, but he put up perfectly good stats with perfectly good efficiency last season.
Yeah, that's the point I was making...
Certainly the level of player co-operation that has resulted in Miami is unprecedented. The closest example I can think of, off the top of my head, is Payton and Malone to LAL, but those guys were ring chasing at the end of their careers (not in their prime); it was still considered a move by everyone who wasn't a Faker fan.
"A shadow" is a bit hyperbolic. He's in decline, no doubt, but he put up perfectly good stats with perfectly good efficiency last season.
If Tim is a shadow of his former self then he must of been the GOAT tbh, because he averaged 19/10 on .500% shooting along with 2 blocks and 3 assists a game in the playoffs.
I am really glad that they went there though for two reasons.
A. They didn't win
B. There was a lot of talk about Malone coming here if he didn't go there - FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF THAT!
malone and payton were coattailing to a good team though, at budget prices. this heat thing doesnt bother me that much, because miami has sucked pretty bad the past couple years. its not like lebron and bosh are going to a sure thing. and though they've now got a core and some nice pieces, they still have most of their cap tied up in that big 3. i dont know, I'm not happy about it, but I wouldnt call it a move. it could very well blow up in their faces.
muser - I don't troll.
pad - Funny thing is that if SA hadn't beat LA the year before, then Malone and GP would have went to the Spurs. They didn't want to appear to be gravy training, even though they were.
admiral - pretty good numbers, no doubt. But not the impact of previous years. Not a knock - he's still better than most in the NBA. But when superstars fall down to mortal realm, what is great for most is subpar for them. Different level of player, different standards.
Drachen - agreed.
diego - it's only a move for LeBron. Supposedly the best player in the game, you don't jump on no one else's cart - you make your own and get others to follow you. Eternal black mark on LeBron's career.
Does that include Brent Barry's "Get me out of here" statement?
I don't like it either, but there is nothing that can be done about it. Teams are doing exactly what they are supposed to do: gather the best collection of players possible. The Spurs were one of the first teams in the current era to don the three superstar philosophy with Tim, Tony, and Manu. If anything, other teams just followed suit, because suddenly two stars (MJ/Pippen, Tim/David, Shaq/Kobe) wasn't enough to compete anymore.
The league itself needs to be smaller, with a considerably shorter schedule (60 games), which would cause a large diffusion of healthier talent.
I shall use 7777 to say good luck to the Spurs this season; we're gonna need it.
Good bye.
How you blame players for the Lakers and Boston additions is beyond me unless of course you mean former players, Ainge, McHale and behind the scenes West then I understand fully. Other than that there is no relation to the Miami James, Wade and Bosh situation.
ummm....NO. Just because your stars are old doesn't mean the league should cater to your needs. If the season was 60 games then kevin willis, patrick ewing, d-rob, and a host of other old codgers would play years beyond what they should (and those aforementioned players already did that anyways). If the season is too tiring or too hard on your body, then maybe it's time to contemplate retirement.
This is why the lakers front office > the spurs front office
The Lakers can retool their team and stay a contender because they can acquire great players outside of the draft. The spurs only get their top players through their draft picks.
Much harder to stay on top that way. The window closes on the spurs as Duncan declines and it will take another franchise player to turn the spurs into a contender again.
The bigger colliusion is that no team complains even when rules are broken. This includes the Spurs. Also, Laker fans who talks yak, also is most likely to have Hulk Hogan posters on his wall.
Pop said as much as he could about the Gasol trade. The League has proven it doesn't invite criticism, and that sort of artificially uncritical climate ultimately dilutes the NBA brand and product.
A wimp with a fist full of $50's and viagra can get a beautiful hooker. That don't make him a stud.
Leave Marc Cuban out of this.
The Lakers just have a superior front office than the Spurs. Don't hate.
Instead of being a whiny sore-losing-baby how about you don't give away Scola. And try to trade for players that can actually help you dethrone the Lakers instead of signing proven rapists like Neal.
Did you get that Hulk Hogan poster signed?
I'm not hating, I'm truthing. Your off-topic trolling may confuse the issue, but it only makes your -made insecurity more day-glo. Go back downstairs and play with the rest of the re s and let 2Cleva represent the Lakers.
I'm not even trolling here. Spur fan is just being a complete hypocrite.
You claim collusion which is completely unproven and debunked by multiple facts. Yet ignore that your front office just gave a guy that was never that good to begin with and a terrible fit 40 million for choking like the loser he was in the playoffs.
Collusion lol, right. You guys still tanked for Duncan. At least admit your sins and savor the championships won.
The argument in play is that the PLAYERS colluded to play in MIA. I only brought up Pop because he complained about the Gasol trade inasmuch as he could (in counter to dbestpro who said nobody did anything to criticize suspect trades), and that trade was just arguably collusion.
The Gasol trade STILL arguably merits speculation about collusion --whether you accept it or not -- but it is also STILL not the center of this discussion. Go start another thread about it if it seems important enough to do so.
The OP flat out said the Gasol trade was collusion and then seriously thought the Spurs earned Duncan when Pop purposely held back D-Rob from returning as quick as he could have. Hypocrisy.
You tanked for Duncan. Won a few les but couldn't pull out the back to backs because the Lakers front office continually outmaneuvered San Antonio's.
The Spurs are in this position not because of player collusion but because of their front office's underwhelming performance in recent years. Signing your 1st rounder 4 years later isn't something that should be applauded. How does re-upping Jefferson and signing a guy that likes banging chicks when they're black out drunk help you beat the Lakers?
Note to everyone, don't feed this troll.
Saavy front office.... ok then Luke, Jordan, and Brown. Throw in sasha and then send Kobe to talk to Raja Bell who then farted in Kobe's face. Yeah great FO...
Was it kupcake's idea to send ambASSador Kobe to talk to players?
And a question:
Will Artest beat his wife again and fall down the stairs dead drunk on X-mas?
How the f/k do you tank for a ping pong ball to land your way ya ignorant ?
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