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The 2009-2010 Nuggets were dysfunctional thugs. The 2008-2009 Nuggets had their act together for most of the playoffs.
Losing by 58 points is memorable, but it is not worse than being swept. Winning a game is better than winning no games.
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That's a fair point, but they were still a mentally weak and, frankly, stupid team...they gave two games away because they couldn't make a simple inbounds pass. Couple that with Kenyon martin's slew of idiotic fouls and J.R. Smith firing 35-ft 3-pointers routinely and it's safe to say they were teetering on the edge of sanity that year as well.
As for your second point, most of the time I would agree with you...but a 58-point loss is EPIC. Agree to disagree I guess
Nothing justifies a 58 point BEATDOWN in the playoffs on home court...I don't care who you are. I can only imagine the hatefest on this place if Kobe or Lebron allowed it to happen lol
exactly...they would be burned at the stake (in the media) for that...and rightfully so
I don't know why Hornet fans are still arguing. There were so many polls about these two point guards and usually it would be even. Since Paul was injured last year, of course more people are going to side D. Will. It would be best if you guys don't tire yourself out and just let people believe what they want to believe. I doubt they changed their opinions. This is not a knock on those who pick D. Will. They are the two best pg's today and it's understandable.
Since Paul is slowly working his heel turn on the city of New Orleans I don't give a about him now....he can go be a Lebron S. Pippen elsewhere.
Losing 121-63 and then going on to lose 4-1 in the series is not something to be any prouder than losing 4-0. Another fact.
Winning a game > not winning any games. Fact.
I have seen teams rattle Chris Paul. I've seen defenses that stop his penetration into the lane, create bad shots, and this has happened in the postseason.
And simply, there are things that a guard who stands five inches taller can do at shutting down the in ator of the offense, statistics be damned. Defenses can see over him and he has to press to keep the guy off-balance. The problem with pressing 100% of the time is that it involves too much gambling. It has been a problem with Paul, I've seen it with my own eyes.
And as you pointed out this is a close race. To lose 37 games last season and not make the postseason is losing a lot of ground in a comparison that changes by the year.
So you had to make a separate thread to state the exact same arguments you made in the Chris Paul vs Deron Williams as facts? What's in here that hasn't been said in the other thread?
Do you really need that much attention?
121-63 Fact.
Losing 8 of the last 10 playoff games. Fact.
Losing the head 2 head matchup. Fact.
Losing in commeon opponent analysis. Fact.
Better post-season success. Fact.
Better college success. Fact.
In the world of hollinger and the stuart scotts of the world ...Paul is not only better than Dwill but wayy better. False.
untrue and BR is right (underdog theory) that is why i started kinda rooting for Dwill ...his rookie year. i felt people went way to nutty for Paul ... then Dwill had a pretty great series (as a 2nd year guard) against IDK the championship team of 2007 the SA spurs ...fact.
The past 3 seasons i have watched him fight against the team that has made it to 2 straight finals ...fact.
I also watched Dwill hold his own, dominate or be close to Paul in pretty much every matchup head 2 head ... fact.
Let me say this Chris paul is great. and my original argument was that maybe Paul is better but it's close that was what i argued in 2008. even off of injury i think he is the 2nd best PG ...
Then in 2009 I watched paul get destroyed by the nuggs.
In 2010 I watched Dwill pound the nuggs
In 2010 Paul is hurt.
How agin over the PAST 2 years is Paul better ...please explain?
If you THINK paul will be better in 2011 great. But for at least 2 years Dwill has been better, FACT.
Finally steals and rebounds only as a predictor for defense is foolish.
Put him on kobe for a short stretch , put him on Dwill.
I woukd LOVE a hornets/Jazz series to end this. But when and if Dwill dominates:
Dwill has a better coach.
Dwill has AL jeff.
Paul's team was injured.
Paul was injured.
He has more steals or shot better FT's
Excuse, excuse, excuse.
Last edited by Killakobe81; 08-13-2010 at 09:30 AM.
now who is hating? i like Paul i just think he is a bit overrated ...
BUT you are hating on Dwill and i don't get why. and so angry too LOL
Personally i enjoy sports debates and smile as i type these ...
so some people think different than you ..
i at least gave you some reasons but you don't agree and that is cool I respect your opinion and Paul's game...
Don't worry if Paul does bust DWill's ass this season I will bump this.
Also why dont we start a thread for every head2head game?
...oh wait head2head doesn't matter ...
but my guess it will if Paul wins and or dominates ...
Last edited by Killakobe81; 08-13-2010 at 09:59 AM.
This debate comes down to one thing: injury.
Chris Paul had a serious knee injury. There appears to be some real doubt as to whether he'll be as awesome as he was a few seasons ago, plus of of course the fear that he's just a re-injury waiting to happen.
At his peak, yep, CP was easily the better player. But injuries changed all that. As of now, Williams is the better player until CP proves otherwise.
BTW I wouldn't bet against CP coming back strong, he seems like a pretty tough little dude.
Repect your post, but i thought that BEFORE Paul got hurt when he su bed to the spurs ...
Because of injury (excuse) he has not done anything to prove to me otherwise. But like i said when he takes his team further and outplays Dwill (IF) head 2head ...I will bump this and eat my crow ...
LOL BRHORNET
When it comes to Dirk,honors and awards do not matter and you never lose the chance to talk about him.
When it comes to CP3 they do count.
Do you want me to list Nowitzki's honors?
You can't have it both ways got.
As for the debate:
Lol at people who act like health isn't important.Unfortunately Paul has injury problems.You can't ''play'' with the seriousness of a knee injury.Period.
That said,when both are healthy,I'd give Paul the edge.It's close though.
If the Hornets somehow found a way to get to the playoffs, I would love to see them go up against the Jazz. Then we'd get an entire series to see them go head to head. I bet you if they were to meet in the playoffs, Hornetfan would be making excuses before the series even started. Because they know deep down how that series would turn out.
As I see it Williams is more mentally tougher the CP3. So if I was asked who I would go to war with it would most definitely be Williams.
TBH that is all I want.
And it's posible i could be wrong and Paul busts his ass and if he does unliks others on here I will eat crow and admit I was wrong ...
brah killakobe81 why can't you write in straight sentences and paragraphs? i hate reading your posts even though they have a lot of good insights on matters
sorry on phone sometimes ...so not always easy ...but I can take constructive criticism so I will work on it.
How is this?
I will work on trying to type better and use pargraphs when posting in the NBA forum. I think chris paul is great, but Dwill slightly better. I think Lebron is one of the greatest players I have ever seen but can't call him the best until he rings (multiple). I also think Karl malone is great but duncan is the greatest Power forward.
TBH a lot of time I have to jump in and off this site. I don't always have the time to edit and review. But although this is just for fun, I plan to organize my thoughts better. I normally instruct people to do the same.
Thanks for the fedback.
Interesting. Both players would be wonderful to have on your team. In Paul's favor, at least he was seriously in the MVP discussion in 2008.
Bottom line is, until their careers go deeper and are better defined, it's close to "Pick 'em"
This is from a repeat post in a previous thread.
This whole debate is about two guys who have put up stats but haven't really won anything.
D-Will - Bigger, higher vertical, better perimeter scorer, better shooter off the dribble, and better long-distance shooter
CP3 - Quicker, better ball-handler, passer, vision, FT shooter, more steals, and finishes better in the paint (higher FG% in the paint)
Defense is not a big difference. CP3 defends quicker guards better while D-Will defends bigger guards better.
I didn't say anything about D-Will...yeah I know Utah was famous for inflating Stockton's #s. But you can't deny that CP3 gets tons of BS assists when the guy dribbles before he makes a shot after CP3's pass.
And D-Will's got the ink on his triceps, plus it's Latin right? So he's clearly better, at least in the bball IQ game.
This too. Bowen would get destroyed by D-Will b/c of his sheer power. He's like a mini-LeBron, like the guy on the Kings is now. CP3, if you can get a. in his head, or b. keep up with his drives to the basket and get a hand up over him, can be stopped.
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