Rallies over mosque near ground zero get heated

[ChumpDumper]

So why is the Old Testament even in the Bible?

Please explain.

[MiamiHeat]

That's hilarious, because the first thing a 'Christian' will always do is quote the Old Testament when it comes to justifying slavery, phobia, anti-abortion, etc.

Educate yourself before trying to sound like you know what you are talking about. That touch of "superior arrogance" you displayed is what is hilarious.

sexuality is denounced in the New Testament too.

Romans 1

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

[MiamiHeat]

So why is the Old Testament even in the Bible?

Please explain.

Because humans kept it.

[ChumpDumper]

Because humans kept it.

So where is the superseding clause in the New Testament?

[MiamiHeat]

So where is the superseding clause in the New Testament?

I don't understand your question

[Wild Cobra]

Seriously you all should check out the music video.

Sorry, I'm watching the "Rat Patrol" right now.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't understand your question

Is there some passage in the NT saying the OT is to now be ignored unless parts are repeated in the NT?

[MiamiHeat]

Is there some passage in the NT saying the OT is to now be ignored unless parts are repeated in the NT?

The passage you refer to is in the OT

Jeremiah 31

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


So Jesus being the son of god that fulfilled the prophecy of the messiah, who came to do god's work, taught the new covenant of forgiveness

hey, I'm an atheist and I still remember this stuff.

[ChumpDumper]

But why would anyone believe that? It's in the Old Testament.

And if God is perfect, why did he need a mulligan on that first covenant?

[MiamiHeat]

But why would anyone believe that? It's in the Old Testament.

And if God is perfect, why did he need a mulligan on that first covenant?

Now you're getting completely off-topic.... with an atheist

You do realize I'm not a Christian right?

[ChumpDumper]

Now you're getting completely off-topic.... with an atheist

You do realize I'm not a Christian right?

Don't really care. You're answering questions.

[MiamiHeat]

Also

Mulsims are told, BY THE QURAN, to LIE and MANIPULATE people in order to protect their beliefs or themselves.

this is known as taqiya. in fact, the Quran even tells muslims that it is ok to manipulate an infidel and make him believe you are on his side if it will get you an advantage. to protect himself or even to use it in the spread of islam.

[Wild Cobra]

Also

Mulsims are told, BY THE QURAN, to LIE and MANIPULATE people in order to protect their beliefs or themselves.

this is known as taqiya. in fact, the Quran even tells muslims that it is ok to manipulate an infidel and make him believe you are on his side if it will get you an advantage. to protect himself or even to use it in the spread of islam.

That's why someone needs to build that gay bar right next door to them to see if they really are tolerant.

[MiamiHeat]

or how about that ALL form of man made governments and free speech is a SIN and must be abolished?

it is a DUTY OF EVERY MUSLIM to do these things.


this is why Osama Bin Laden is a more faithful religious servant to Islam than a "peaceful" muslim is

[MiamiHeat]

That's why someone needs to build that gay bar right next door to them to see if they really are tolerant.

these obama apologists are so ing stuck on their childish ideas of "WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHATEVER WE WANT!" at ude. it spreads from sexuality to this to anything else.

they have no ing clue what islam is really about.

[ChumpDumper]

So you think every Muslim holds all of these beliefs?

[MiamiHeat]

So you think every Muslim holds all of these beliefs?

nope, there are good people who happen to be muslim and do not follow the quran

but the FACTS are FACTS AND CANNOT BE CHANGED

The Quran teaches and COMMANDS these things to every muslim.

if some peaceful, good hearted muslims choose to ignore it, that doesn't change what Islam is really about.


plus, I just told you about TAQIYA. Any muslim is told by the Quran that they can LIE TO YOU AND MANIPULATE ANY INFIDEL if it helps them or Islam. So maybe some of these people who say they do not believe these things, maybe some of them are LIARS

[ChumpDumper]

nope, there are good people who happen to be muslim and do not follow the quran

but the FACTS are FACTS AND CANNOT BE CHANGED

The Quran teaches and COMMANDS these things to every muslim.

if some peaceful, good hearted muslims choose to ignore it, that doesn't change what Islam is really about.


plus, I just told you about TAQIYA. Any muslim is told by the Quran that they can LIE TO YOU AND MANIPULATE ANY INFIDEL if it helps them or Islam. So maybe some of these people who say they do not believe these things, maybe some of them are LIARS

So how do you tell the peaceful, goodhearted ones from the liars?

[MiamiHeat]

On 19 November 2003, in the United States District Court Eastern District of Michigan Southern Division, Judge Steven Whalen concluded a four-page indictment against Mahmoud Youseff Kourani.

The indictment described Kourani as a dedicated member of Hezbollah who had received specialised training in radical Shiite fundamentalism, weaponry, spy craft and counter-intelligence in Lebanon and Iran and a dedicated member/fighter/recruiter and fundraiser for Hezbollah: (1)


"While in the United States,
Kourani employed 'taqiyya': a Shia
Muslim doctrine of concealment,
pretense and fraud. This meant
amongst other things that Kourani
would, when he thought it necessary,
avoid going to mosques, not
attend Shiite religious rituals, shave
his beard, and otherwise keep his
true beliefs secret while inside what
he considered to be hostile territory
--the United States of America."


This Cordoba House garbage by Imam whatever his name is .... this is just another ing deception.

The goal of spreading more Mosques is to convert more people,

and by doing it THIS CLOSE TO GROUND ZERO, it is so ing obvious what they are doing.

[MiamiHeat]

it must be stopped.

[ChumpDumper]

This Cordoba House garbage by Imam whatever his name is .... this is just another ing deception.

How do you know this?

You just said Muslims can be goodhearted and peaceful.

[MiamiHeat]

How do you know this?

You just said Muslims can be goodhearted and peaceful.

Good hearted peaceful people do NOT step on the sensitivity of others.

70% of americans oppose the Mosque at Ground Zero.

There are weekly demonstrations there, but he doesn't give a . He is pushing through.


This signals to me that the location is very, very important to him. Why would it HAVE to be built there? If he was a good hearted, peaceful man, he would relocate, no big deal.

Nope. he wants to BUILD THERE. the demonstrators and sensitivities of 9/11.

then he names it the Cordoba House. Lawl.

Pretty clear what his objective is.

[ChumpDumper]

Good hearted peaceful people do NOT step on the sensitivity of others.

That's your evidence?

Goodhearted people do that all the time.

70% of americans oppose the Mosque at Ground Zero.

Good for them.

There are weekly demonstrations there, but he doesn't give a . He is pushing through.

Good for him.

This signals to me that the location is very, very important to him. Why would it HAVE to be built there? If he was a good hearted, peaceful man, he would relocate, no big deal.

Perhaps he wants to build it there to actually prove it is no big deal.

Nope. he wants to BUILD THERE. the demonstrators and sensitivities of 9/11.

then he names it the Cordoba House. Lawl.

Pretty clear what his objective is.

Yes, he is so obviously trying to deceive you that he intentionally picked a location and a name that would piss you off.

Diabolical.

It's nice to know that atheists can discriminate on the basis of religion.

[MiamiHeat]

none of your replies were a sufficient rebuttal to my statements

[ChumpDumper]

none of your replies were a sufficient rebuttal to my statements

Your statements are self-rebutting.