The last refuge of a liberal

[Blake]

They are not Islamaphobes, they just don't want a Muslim place of worship there because Muslims caused the problem...

I'm not afraid of Muslims......I'm just concerned they might harm me both physically and emotionally.

[Blackjack]

what's the moral issue?

It's not mine, it's theirs -- some might believe it morally wrong to allow the building of something that could be seen as some kind feather-in-the-cap of the extremists that perpetrated the act.

It's insensitive because it's a Muslim mosque?

See last answer

If it's a YMCA, I'm very sure there is no outcry.

Were the terrorists who perpetrated the act YMCA card-carrying members looking to bomb 24-Hour Fitnesses?

What else is it but racist?

What is it called when you can only think to call someone a racist or biggot when knowing nothing of what the other feels?

Ignorance. The same thing.

right, and from the information we have so far, apparently these guttural reactions are based on Islamophobia and/or racism.

Already addressed this ...

So the question again is, what are the legitmate reasons for getting butthurt about a mosque near ground zero?

and this.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

All you idiots that think I'm pro-pedophile are pretty stupid. Just sayin'.

I think winehole said "catch up"

[Winehole23]

Ruin my logic?

Not at all. Cordoba Center(sic?) is a relevant example. The most relevant, one might say in terms of this thread.

[balli]

All you idiots that think I'm pro-pedophile are pretty stupid. Just sayin'.

I think winehole said "catch up"

I don't think you're pro-pedophile. I think you're a dumbass that equated a gym run by muslims with a bunch of pedophiles getting together to 'do whatever they want' to their victims.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

They are not Islamaphobes, they just don't want a Muslim place of worship there because Muslims caused the problem...

What "problem" are you speaking of?

[Winehole23]

Within the law the proprietors can do whatever they like.

[Blake]

If you read what I've posted you'd know what my point is. Really don't have a point.

Your point is that you don't have a point. Oh goody.

Just stating this is not a freedom of religion issue. Is that hard to comprehend? If you have a gotch question then feel free and fire away.

It's harder to comprehend why someone would post a statement with no point in a debate thread. Usually posts with no point are reserved for places like the Club.

[Blackjack]

This ...

So you are?

... was in regards to this, Blake

If you are one to claim you're a liberal and open-minded thinker but dismiss any opposing viewpoint with name-calling, race-baiting or any other fifth-grade retort, then you, sir, are a lemming.

If not ... then you're not.

Blake.

Posters' names are in the upper left hand corner of the posts.

But you learn something new every day.

[George Gervin's Afro]

What "problem" are you speaking of?

the bombings of the twin towers..the act of terrorism, the murdering of 2800 people..that problem

[Winehole23]

Your point is that you don't have a point. Oh goody.

It's harder to comprehend why someone would post a statement with no point in a debate thread. Usually posts with no point are reserved for places like the Club.

Disagree strongly. Posts with no point at all are a striking majority in this forum.

[ChumpDumper]

Really? Then why can't the Greek Orthodox church, flattened by one of the Trade Center Towers, rebuild?

They are free to rebuild the church on their property. They want to build a bigger cathedral on a different piece of property.

Why can't Israelis build in Jerusalem?

As much as you might wish it so, Jerusalem is not a part of the United States.

[Blake]

It's not mine, it's theirs -- some might believe it morally wrong to allow the building of something that could be seen as some kind feather-in-the-cap of the extremists that perpetrated the act.

the question has been brought up ad nauseum with no answer:

How is it morally wrong?

See last answer

I did. Please clarify.

Were the terrorists who perpetrated the act YMCA card-carrying members looking to bomb 24-Hour Fitnesses?

No, but they were also licensed pilots.

Would you or anyone else have moral problems if someone tried to open a flight school there?

What is it called when you can only think to call someone a racist or biggot when knowing nothing of what the other feels?

Ignorance. The same thing.

Fine. Then what else is it if it's not racism or Islamophobia?

Already addressed this ...

poorly, which is why I'm having to ask you the same question over and over.

and this.

right, and I addressed your address to it with my follow up question:

What else is it if it's not racism or Islamophobia?

to which you did not answer clearly.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Your point is that you don't have a point. Oh goody.



It's harder to comprehend why someone would post a statement with no point in a debate thread. Usually posts with no point are reserved for places like the Club.

Um, read post 16 then 26 and you'll know why I posted my freedom of religion statement. Can't help with your comprehension. Yes it probably has no "point" in the grand scheme of things in this thread but it did to what I was responding to

[Blake]

This ...

... was in regards to this, Blake

But you learn something new every day.

Am I what?

[Blake]

Um, read post 16 then 26 and you'll know why I posted my freedom of religion statement. Can't help with your comprehension. Yes it probably has no "point" in the grand scheme of things in this thread but it did to what I was responding to

I asked you straight up what your reason for posting is and you clearly stated "I have no point."

Can't help you if you can't comprehend your own posts.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

the bombings of the twin towers..the act of terrorism, the murdering of 2800 people..that problem

Hmmm. I call 2800+ innocent deaths a tragedy. Clearly we don't see eye to eye with that "problem" so there's really no use talking to you about it. Might as well offer a BLT to the people in the mosque

[Blackjack]

the question has been brought up ad nauseum with no answer:

How is it morally wrong?

There's obviously no response to ignorance and/or nonsense.

I did. Please clarify.

No you didn't. I did.

No, but they were also licensed pilots.

Would you or anyone else have moral problems if someone tried to open a flight school there?

Was that school looking to fly planes into its compe ors?

Fine. Then what else is it if it's not racism or Islamophobia?

Define racism.

poorly, which is why I'm having to ask you the same question over and over.

You didn't have to do or say anything. It probably would've have been a wiser move given your response.

right, and I addressed your address to it with my follow up question:

What else is it if it's not racism or Islamophobia?

Repe ion ain't my fave.

to which you did not answer clearly.

Didn't I?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I asked you straight up what your reason for posting is and you clearly stated "I have no point."

Can't help you if you can't comprehend your own posts.

Yes it probably has no "point" in the grand scheme of things in this thread but it did to what I was responding to

Echo echo

You're one dense idiot.

[balli]

Hmmm. I call 2800+ innocent deaths a tragedy. Clearly we don't see eye to eye with that "problem" so there's really no use talking to you about it.

Spouting off a bunch of racist bull and then haggling over semantics like they make your bigoted positions so much less immoral?

[Blackjack]

Am I what?

If you are one to claim you're a liberal and open-minded thinker but dismiss any opposing viewpoint with name-calling, race-baiting or any other fifth-grade retort, then you, sir, are a lemming.

If not ... then you're not.

You seemed to take offense, so I was left to ask if you were.

[Winehole23]

if they can legally build there they should be able to.

FnA.

[Blake]

There's obviously no response to ignorance and/or nonsense.

That doesn't answer my question.

You brought up the moral issue. Again, how is it morally wrong?

No you didn't. I did.

No you didn't but is it really that difficult for you to clarify again upon request?

Please clarify [again].

Was that school looking to fly planes into its compe ors?

No, I don't think so.

Is the mosque that is being built looking to terrorize the United States?

Define racism.

rac·ism   /ˈreɪsɪzəm/ Show Spelled[rey-siz-uhm]
–noun

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

What else is it if it's not racism or Islamophobia?

You didn't have to do or say anything. It probably would've have been a wiser move given your response.

I'm not making any argument. I'm trying to become wiser like you apparently think you are by asking a question.

What else is it if it's not racism or Islamophobia?

Repe ion ain't my fave.

Then make it easy on yourself and asnwer the question.

What else is it if it's not racism or Islamophobia?

Didn't I?

Nope, but please do so at any given time.

What else is it if it's not racism or Islamophobia?

[Winehole23]

Phony baloney media-assisted outrage doesn't trump property rights. Yet.

[Blake]

Echo echo

You're one dense idiot.

Um, read post 16 then 26 and you'll know why I posted my freedom of religion statement. Can't help with your comprehension. Yes it probably has no "point" in the grand scheme of things in this thread but it did to what I was responding to

You say two different things in just 3 sentences.

Make up your mind, dumb .