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And, if there is a reasonable expectation their mosque will be "hijacked" by extremist co-religionists, that makes no difference?
There are hundreds of radicalized mosques in America spewing hate for this country.
What's to keep that one from becoming another?
Because, that seems to be the plan for the extremist Muslims. They see this as a Victory Mosque and I'm willing to bet it will attract such Muslims -- regardless of what the developers want.
And, I'm not convinced the developers are being above board, either. There are too many unanswered questions about how the mosque is being financed and the true ideology of this Rauf Imam dude.
He doesn't
leave religion out of it.
they were saudi's.
Only if you are an Islamophobe.
Nothing, save the tolerance and cooperation Americans like to claim for themselves. This is what freedom is about. If you don't like that freedom, you need to take it away from everyone, because every place of worship has a potential for hatred.There are hundreds of radicalized mosques in America spewing hate for this country.
What's to keep that one from becoming another?
So what?Because, that seems to be the plan for the extremist Muslims. They see this as a Victory Mosque and I'm willing to bet it will attract such Muslims -- regardless of what the developers want.
Fox News is linked to terrorists.And, I'm not convinced the developers are being above board, either. There are too many unanswered questions about how the mosque is being financed and the true ideology of this Rauf Imam dude.
I'm not directly involved in the project. Just like you, my opinions are based on what is said and written by others.
How many people who want to engage in an act they know will be deeply offensive to other -- in particular, their fellow countrymen -- would be honest about their intent up front?
Are you that naive?
There are people in Texas who still believe the Texas Lottery was all about education.
There are people in this country who still believe Obama's economic plan is taking us in the right direction.
If I was a radical muslim that wanted to erect a victory mosque at Ground Zero, the last thing I'd do would be to tell America before it was done.
That's a poor basis to use though. If I call the act of building a church an affront to atheists everywhere, does that mean the church shouldn't be built?
I think the greater disparity between the two makes the analogy flawed. Not to mention that people can choose voluntarily whether or not to attend the mosque, right? People who burn the Koran are not putting their lives in danger, but those of soldiers.
I think that you believe there is no cause for reasonable su ion is ridiculous.
I'm reminded of Yasser Arafat's pledges of peace when speaking to American Crowd and pledges of destruction of Israel when speaking to Palestinian crowds.
If I built a church at the site where 3,000 Athiests were murdered in the name of Christianity, yes.
No, the analogy works if you consider the people intent on building the mosque are putting not only voluntary attendees at risk but, neighbors, and neighboring buildings.
Can you provide a single shred of evidence to all the bull you just spewed in the above post??
What exactly cons utes a reasonable expectation? and where exactly are all these "thousands of radicalized mosques"?
in essence what I'm trying to ask is, how you can complain about people labeling this anti-mosque protest as Islamophobic when you yourself can't provide anything other than blind fear as the reason why you're protesting it?
Islamophobe has a negative connotation obviously, but what it essentially boils down to is having an irrational fear of muslims... from what you've posted so far, your fear of them is pretty irrational.
this statement right here is the reason why people label the movement Islamophobic. Do you seriously not see why?
I'm sorry, it just boggles my mind.
So it's about religion.
Who is going to attack the strip club?No, the analogy works if you consider the people intent on building the mosque are putting not only voluntary attendees at risk but, neighbors, and neighboring buildings.
I said hundreds and Washington State, Detroit, and New Jersey are home to more than their share.Can you provide a single shred of evidence to all the bull you just spewed in the above post??
What exactly cons utes a reasonable expectation? and where exactly are all these "thousands of radicalized mosques"?
Read up on the Dar al-Hijrah Islamic Center in Falls Church. Just one of the hundreds of radicalized mosques in the United States.
Show me a list of the hundreds.
It's your claim. Back it up.
Why? Are you saying they'd be up front and honest if that was their intention? I think it's a reasonable su ion...particularly given what we're learning about Rauf and the financing of the mosque.
Fox News is linked to terrorism.
So the only thing that matters is how many people are offended? IOW, if enough people are offended, then it's not moral, but if only a few people are offended, it is? What if a few anonymous atheists say that they will bomb a building if it is built? Should that church not be built then? If all you're talking about is the possible "safety" of a bldg, then numbers shouldn't make a big difference.
Using this sort of thought, then numerous amounts of buildings couldn't be built, because they might POSSIBLY piss someone off. Abortion clinics? Can't build them, because people bomb them. Bars? Can't build them, they offend some people and someone might want to take them out. Etc etc. What about banks? People rob banks, and hold people hostage, therefore we should not allow banks to be built, as they are inherently unsafe.
Look, the whole act of building a structure and book burning are two distinct acts; drawing an analogy between them fails for the most part, because they are dissimilar.
I don't. I think its a convenient excuse though. Mainly because your su ions are baseless. Show me the evidence behind your su ions. Evidence on this mosque and on the Muslim's building it.
Notice I'm not asking you to speak for anyone else. I'm talking about YOUR su ions.
My opposition to the mosque is not based on what I believe the organizers are intending there.
My opposition is based in compassion and solidarity with those who lost loved one on 9-11 that are opposed to the mosque. Initially, I believed the organizer would accede to the pleas of those who couldn't understand why a mosque would be built there but, when they started calling 9-11 victims hateful Islamophobes, I began to question their motives.
Then when you throw in Iranian, Palestian, and Syrian support for the building of the mosque -- without the organizers rejecting that support, I think it's reasonable to assume their motives are less than honorable.
Some Muslim sheik testified before a Senate committee back in 1999 that more than 80% of American mosques were influenced by or under the control of radical Muslims. I'm looking for the testimony now...
I've found plenty of stories recounting his testimony but, until I actually read the testimony in the Congressional Record, I won't claim it's true. It just happens to agree with my assertion that hundred of mosques are radicalized.
You can't possibly expect that what essentially amounts to a hunch on your part, be considered the evidence everyone here is asking for...
Is that you think the people defending the building of this mosque are oblivious to the existence of radical muslims? that they'd support the building of a mosque where muslims are radicalized against America?
What people defending the mosque argue is that unless you have concrete proof that this mosque is intended to do what you claim it is, you cannot, and more importantly must not, let your fears make you do something that is completely uncharacteristic of what America is all about... or at least claims to be all about.
In your opinion, how far away from Ground Zero is a good buffer zone of sensitivity?
Please give an exact distance.
How far away is Afghanistan?
On the Islamophobic meme. If it was fear that drove opposition, don't you believe there'd be a call to close all mosques, everywhere? A radicalized mosque at Ground Zero is no less dangerous than one in Seattle.
That's not the issue but, supporters have done a grand job of making it so.
It's not Islamophobia.
Ask a victim of 9-11.
well, it couldn't be any farther away from nearest mosque. there's about a hundred of them.
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