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    I can't believe the bull in this thread...

    1) The "Christian" Pastor is a pussy, and if he wanted to be a man he'd go to the Middle East and burn Koran's on Muslim land.
    Probably air have another beheading on Al Jazeera.
    2) The media is a ing joke, bringing world wide attention to what would otherwise be a random youtube video of angry white people burning books and creating an atmosphere that gives lots of exposure to OUR country's biggest ing idiots. If they weren't talking about it or giving it legitmacy, it wouldn't be something that endangers the troops.
    Sensationalism sells. We all best remember that the truth and important news doesn't make much money.
    3) Yes, this will impact troops because the terrorists will use the media's high-quality video and interviews with the "Christians" burning the Koran to recruit new terrorists that believe the West is totally intolerant to them and the only way to protect Islam is to destroy the West.
    It may recruit a few more, but we are talking about a small number. Consider that the radicals are likely under 0.05% of the population, they are still a large number. There are at least 1.2 billion Muslims. 0.05% of that would be 600,000. Of that, if 1% were willing to make Jihad, that's 6,000. we still have a long way to go as exterminators, but I just don't see this controversy really inciting enough more to matter.57 Muslim states.
    4) Combined with the Mosque outrage, it's not unreasonable to assume that the various fake hidden, mysterious terror networks like Al-Q will actually have members now and meet their yearly recruiting numbers.
    It seems to me that their numbers are constantly dwindling more than the damage they cause, and I'll bet recruitment lags losses by mul udes. maybe I'm wrong, but I am optimistic that this problem will continue to decline.

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    Sean Hannity actually interviewed this nutcase preacher on his show today - and Sean tried very, very hard to convince the guy that what he was doing was an unneccesary provocation and that he should cancel the Koran burning.

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    You know, the real story here that no one is talking about is how a publicity stunt by a nobody preacher can so incense a pretty large chunk of the world's population they're willing to strap on suicide vests and murder others.

    The Dove Outreach Center is a 50 person church. How in the is that even significant?

    The real story is how the world is cowed by Islamic extremists to the point they'll hyperventilate over a nobody preacher at a nowhere church. Ridiculous.

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    You know, the real story here that no one is talking about is how a publicity stunt by a nobody preacher can so incense a pretty large chunk of the world's population they're willing to strap on suicide vests and murder others.

    The Dove Outreach Center is a 50 person church. How in the is that even significant?

    The real story is how the world is cowed by Islamic extremists to the point they'll hyperventilate over a nobody preacher at a nowhere church. Ridiculous.
    It sensationalism. It sells news. I thought you understood that real journalism is dead.

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    It seems to me that their numbers are constantly dwindling more than the damage they cause, and I'll bet recruitment lags losses by mul udes. maybe I'm wrong, but I am optimistic that this problem will continue to decline.
    Maybe that's why they're producing online 'zines...

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    Maybe that's why they're producing online 'zines...
    Fisher noted that the magazine contained an article by Abu Mu'sab al-Suri, noting that al-Suri had been in Guantanamo since 2005, and that whether he was actually tied to al Qaeda remained unclear.
    Did you read my post on that?

    I suspect it's a hoax.

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    Did you read my post on that?

    I suspect it's a hoax.
    Nope, it's been confirmed by various intelligence sources. I doubt I would have gotten an email about it if it was a hoax.

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    Nope, it's been confirmed by various intelligence sources. I doubt I would have gotten an email about it if it was a hoax.
    Well, maybe it's real. Still, i think there is more to the story than as assumed. I can speculate about many scenarios, but choose not to share any.

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    Terry Jones is all about Terry Jones, duh.

    Quran-Burning Pastor's Former German Church Denounces Him: He's 'Violent And Fanatical'

    "He wasn't the kind of pastor who did everything and took care of everyone," said Breuel.

    Baar added: "He didn't project the biblical values and Christianity, but always made himself the center of everything."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0...tml?view=print

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    Yoni, just like your ignorant, venal, celebrity grrrl friend Mama Grizzly, Jones is all about Jones. Has NOTHING to do with the world being cowed by Islam.
    Last edited by boutons_deux; 09-09-2010 at 05:10 AM.

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    people in the islamic world who pull out a bible usually get arrested or killed. so what is the problem again?

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    The Islamic world. How facile.

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    http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/as...bibles.burned/

    US Military burned bibles...

    (CNN) -- Military personnel threw away, and ultimately burned, confiscated Bibles that were printed in the two most common Afghan languages amid concern they would be used to try to convert Afghans, a Defense Department spokesman said Tuesday.

    The unsolicited Bibles sent by a church in the United States were confiscated about a year ago at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan because military rules forbid troops of any religion from proselytizing while deployed there, Lt. Col. Mark Wright said.

    Such religious outreach can endanger American troops and civilians in the devoutly Muslim nation, Wright said.

    "The decision was made that it was a 'force protection' measure to throw them away, because, if they did get out, it could be perceived by Afghans that the U.S. government or the U.S. military was trying to convert Muslims," Wright told CNN on Tuesday.

    Troops at posts in war zones are required to burn their trash, Wright said.

    The Bibles were written in the languages Pashto and Dari.

    This decision came to light recently, after the Al Jazeera English network aired video of a group prayer service and chapel sermon that a reporter said suggested U.S. troops were being encouraged to spread Christianity.

    The military denied that earlier this month, saying much in the video was taken out of context.

    "This was irresponsible and dangerous journalism sensationalizing year-old footage of a religious service for U.S. soldiers on a U.S. base and inferring that troops are evangelizing to Afghans," Col. Gregory Julian said.

    The military says a soldier at Bagram received the Bibles and didn't realize he wasn't allowed to hand them out. In the Al Jazeera video, which shows the Bibles at the prayer service, an unnamed soldier says members of his church raised money for them.

    The chaplain later corrected the soldier and confiscated the Bibles, Wright said.

    Military officers considered sending the Bibles back to the church, he said, but they worried the church would turn around and send them to another organization in Afghanistan -- giving the impression that they had been distributed by the U.S. government.

    That could lead to violence against troops or U.S. civilians, Wright said.



    Al Jazeera English, a Qatar-based international news service, said its reporters tried to get a response from military officials for its story but were unable to do so.

    The U.S. military air base at Bagram is home to thousands of troops from all branches of the U.S. military. The vast majority of the troops do not leave the base and are in various support roles for U.S. troops across Afghanistan.

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    http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/as...bibles.burned/

    US Military burned bibles...

    (CNN) -- Military personnel threw away, and ultimately burned, confiscated Bibles that were printed in the two most common Afghan languages amid concern they would be used to try to convert Afghans, a Defense Department spokesman said Tuesday.

    The unsolicited Bibles sent by a church in the United States were confiscated about a year ago at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan because military rules forbid troops of any religion from proselytizing while deployed there, Lt. Col. Mark Wright said.

    Such religious outreach can endanger American troops and civilians in the devoutly Muslim nation, Wright said.

    "The decision was made that it was a 'force protection' measure to throw them away, because, if they did get out, it could be perceived by Afghans that the U.S. government or the U.S. military was trying to convert Muslims," Wright told CNN on Tuesday.

    Troops at posts in war zones are required to burn their trash, Wright said.

    The Bibles were written in the languages Pashto and Dari.

    This decision came to light recently, after the Al Jazeera English network aired video of a group prayer service and chapel sermon that a reporter said suggested U.S. troops were being encouraged to spread Christianity.

    The military denied that earlier this month, saying much in the video was taken out of context.

    "This was irresponsible and dangerous journalism sensationalizing year-old footage of a religious service for U.S. soldiers on a U.S. base and inferring that troops are evangelizing to Afghans," Col. Gregory Julian said.

    The military says a soldier at Bagram received the Bibles and didn't realize he wasn't allowed to hand them out. In the Al Jazeera video, which shows the Bibles at the prayer service, an unnamed soldier says members of his church raised money for them.

    The chaplain later corrected the soldier and confiscated the Bibles, Wright said.

    Military officers considered sending the Bibles back to the church, he said, but they worried the church would turn around and send them to another organization in Afghanistan -- giving the impression that they had been distributed by the U.S. government.

    That could lead to violence against troops or U.S. civilians, Wright said.



    Al Jazeera English, a Qatar-based international news service, said its reporters tried to get a response from military officials for its story but were unable to do so.

    The U.S. military air base at Bagram is home to thousands of troops from all branches of the U.S. military. The vast majority of the troops do not leave the base and are in various support roles for U.S. troops across Afghanistan.
    so.......

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    While I think all of this is reaching silly levels, this story is akin to a report that al Queda sympathizers burned the Koran en masse.

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    Another ignorant red-state "Christian" hater follows suit

    Inspired By Florida Hate Pastor, Tennessee Minister Also Plans To Burn Qurans On 9/11

    The longtime Baptist minister says the Rev. Terry Jones of the Dove World Center Outreach in Gainesville, Fla., is doing the right thing by burning the Quran. So he’s going to do likewise.

    Old plans to set fire to a Quran on Saturday at his home and then post a video of the burning book online. And if he had his way, there would be no Muslims in America.

    “If they want to have their religion, they can have it somewhere else,” said Old, former pastor of First Baptist Church in Joelton and Academy Heights Baptist Church in Gallatin, which merged with another church. He no longer has a congregation and instead runs an evangelical ministry called Disciples of Christ.

    http://thinkprogress.org/2010/09/09/...ee-burn-quran/

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    Another ignorant red-state "Christian" hater follows suit

    Inspired By Florida Hate Pastor, Tennessee Minister Also Plans To Burn Qurans On 9/11

    The longtime Baptist minister says the Rev. Terry Jones of the Dove World Center Outreach in Gainesville, Fla., is doing the right thing by burning the Quran. So he’s going to do likewise.

    Old plans to set fire to a Quran on Saturday at his home and then post a video of the burning book online. And if he had his way, there would be no Muslims in America.

    “If they want to have their religion, they can have it somewhere else,” said Old, former pastor of First Baptist Church in Joelton and Academy Heights Baptist Church in Gallatin, which merged with another church. He no longer has a congregation and instead runs an evangelical ministry called Disciples of Christ.

    http://thinkprogress.org/2010/09/09/...ee-burn-quran/

    I wonder if this guy is a fan of obama?

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    Too bad the media won't just ignore these morons.

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    The US runs on morons pimped by the media, esp Fox and VRWC.

    Repugs, tea baggers, conservatives, gun fetishists, and other morons are pimped non-stop.

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    He no longer has a congregation and instead runs an evangelical ministry called Disciples of Christ.
    I smell a lawsuit over the use of that name.

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    US Military burned bibles...
    What's your point?

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    It's somewhat related news. I just posted it. I figured all the brilliant minds in here would hash out the point.

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    It's somewhat related news. I just posted it. I figured all the brilliant minds in here would hash out the point.
    The point that Christians appear to be trying to with the US military effort in the middle east in every way possible?

    Point taken.

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    Yawn. A congregation of 50 people in Gainsville, FL is making the headlines. There really must not be much going on in the world right now.

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    "Islam means peace." Let the preacher boy burn it.

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    This is a re ed "issue." If this nut hadn't gotten the pub in the first place nobody would care.

    Hey, the country's going bankrupt.

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