No need to get heated up man
I think everyone is just stating that if multiple data sources that he is around the 230 mark then most of us would believe that. If we can't rely on the data given then really we can never decide on things
The problem is you don't even remember who wrote it. How do you remember the exact weight but can't remember who wrote it or where you read it? Perhaps you "misremember" the weight that person wrote. Perhaps it was 236 and not 260. I mean, you can't remember much else about what the person you don't remember wrote.
Sure. So could a team with Jordan, Kareem, and Bird. So I guess actual teams existing in the NBA can cross that off as a problem.
I said no team is going anywhere not getting offensive production from 2 positions. What contender for the 2011 le can you name that balks that criteria?
I'm not heated, I'm just pointing out how ridiculous a few people are being. Like we're talking about putting someone away for murder here.
I just gave you all proof of a player being 20 pounds under his listing and you follow that up by pretending as if a player can't be a different weight from what they're listed. Unbelievable.
Misremember? Who am I, Roger Clemens?
I distinctly remember reading 260. If I didn't, I wouldn't have said that number.
Gasol is as lanky as they come, yet he's listed at 250, so why couldn't Noah be 260?
Who are the Heat going to have at point guard and center?
I think they could put two trash offensive players at those two positions and still contend.
No, I followed it up with providing his listed weight, and then asking for something that says he weighs 260. So far, you have yet to provide any evidence other than "I heard it from this dude who would know" that he has gained weight and is currently 260.
Summer 2007 at the NBA draft combines, Joakim officially weighed in at 223 lbs.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-...=0&pos=0&sort=
He may have bulked up a little bit the next couple seasons. That's where that hoopshype listed weight at 227 reflects. Then last September, 2009, Joakim Noah talked about working out and gaining weight, 5-6 pounds.
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chic...pressions.htmlI put on about 5-6 pounds. I've been lifting a lot of weights. I feel a lot stronger. I've played a lot of pick up. I'm just really excited about this season, I went to IMG for a couple of weeks, worked out a lot, I'm just really excited.
That's why you see the difference from 227 to 232 on those other sites. He didn't gain 15 lbs. in 2008 and he didn't already bulk up to 260 "last season" as you claimed.
Remember, you said "last season" he already had bulked up to 260. So if he were already 260 "last season" and he gained 5-6 lbs. prior to last season, then that means he was already around 255 in 2008-09.
And even if you want to say he got to 260 this past summer, then that means he in fact had to have gained 28 pounds over the summer.
I heard someone say you were full of . It's someone who covers people who are full of . Why would I make it up?
You aren't someone who knows. Gray named Spurfan heard it from someone who knows. Someone who knows > someone who doesn't know
They'll probably spend a lot of time with Wade and James at the 1 and 2 and Mike Miller at 3. With players of Wade, James, and Bosh's caliber, along with a guy like Miller, it won't matter who they run at 5. They'll have 1 weak offensive position, 1 good one, and 3 outstanding ones.
Chicago with Melo and w/o Noah-Deng won't have the luxury of another end-game player the caliber of Miller, or 3 stars the caliber of Miami's.
So you think that without Mike Miller the Heat aren't a contender?
So, to be clear, you're saying it's not possible that he could be listed well above his listed weight and you're also accusing someone of making something as irrelevant as this up?
I guess Duncan still weighs 260 then. Who cares what his coach said, he's got to be lying, because the listing doesn't reflect what he said.
I never said he gained 15 pounds or how much he gained at a time, I said he may have and because these things aren't exactly up to the minute, we don't know how much he's put on at a time.
You are right about one thing though, I did say last season.
Steve Kerr, you didn't prove . I just proved to you that a players weight can be drastically different from it's listing. So why couldn't Noah's be?
Yes, Noah's weight could be 260. Since the consensus seems to be that Noah weighs around 230, the burden of proof is on you to show he actually weighs 260. It's not my burden to prove he doesn't weigh 260.
So Vinny Del Negro said sometime last season that Noah weighed 260?
Someone who covers flying spaghetti monsters told me the flying spaghetti monster was going to sodomize TD 21 in 3 hours. Unless TD 21 can show me proof that the flying spaghetti monster isn't going to sodomize him in 3 hours, it must be true!
There is no burden of proof, that's what you don't seem to get about this. You either believe it or you don't, I could care less. Even if I tried to, I more than likely couldn't find the source of this, so I did what I felt was the next best thing, which was give you an example of a player who's listed weight is drastically different from his real weight and examples of lanky players who weigh in Noah's vicinity, since you're acting like it's impossible that he weighs 260, as if I said he weighs 360. If that's not good enough, too bad.
Me and the 5 other people in this thread who think you're being re ed.
Good for you. I never said "you have to believe what I'm saying because it's coming from me".
You're the genius who thinks Noah isn't a good complement to Boozer, even though the consensus is that he is.
what consensus?
The funniest part of this thread is you questioning my credibility while being the internet dip making a ridiculous claim and saying, "I heard it from a source! I sware!"
All the evidence there is says you're wrong.
If you "don't care" if anyone believes you or not, stop responding to all the posts that challenge what you claim. No one believes you. But since you don't care, don't respond.
You have no credibility if you don't think Noah is a perfect compliment to Boozer, particularly defensively. If you knew anything about the game, you'd think he were an ideal fit.
There are things that are opinion based and then there are things that are a question of whether you know much about the game. This one falls into the latter category.
I knew someone would come with the cliche "if you don't care what people think, stop responding" line. Thank you for telling me why I was still responding.
Here comes something about how Noah weighs 260 and isn't undersized.
Even if you think he weighs 232, he's still 6-11, has good length and is mobile. He is a rim protector and a defensive presence overall. That fits perfectly next to Boozer, who isn't any of those things.
Noah is exactly the type of center the Jazz needed next to Boozer for years. Okur was a fit offensively, because he can space the floor with his outside shooting, but he wasn't a fit defensively, because he's not mobile and is not a shot blocker.
By the way, the term undersized typically refers to height, not weight. At 6-11, he's not undersized.
So who on the Bulls guards Pau Gasol when they play LA?
The term "undersized" can refer to height, length, weight, mass, bulk, strength. Just because you think it typically refers to height doesn't mean that's the case.
Joakim Noah is a good defender. He hustles. And he does have good height and length for a center. But he is absolutely undersized due to bulk, mass, and strength. He is a solid defender at center in today's NBA because the NBA is so devoid of quality centers. Look at the last two playoffs and you'll see where Noah gets exposed as he had to defend Perkins/KG and then an old Shaq. His defensive rating shot up from his regular season defensive rating. For reference, Dirk Nowitzki had a better defensive rating than Joakim in the playoffs last season. Noah still can get manhandled because he's light in the ass and simply not strong enough.
He's like Marcus Camby. Tall, long, above average athletically. But you match him up against a real center with real center size and he'll get handled. And something I mentioned earlier will always be a problem for Noah. He has a thin upper frame. He lacks broad shoulders that could allow him to bulk up adequately in the upper body. It's something physical he can't do anything about, just like Kevin Willis' short arms. Noah will always be thin and not quite strong enough in the upper body. Like Camby, he can play center against a lot of the other centers in the league, but he's probably better suited to play power forward, since he has the athleticism and agility to keep up with a lot of power forwards and he can play more weak side help defender from that position.
Noah isn't the perfect complement to Boozer. The perfect complement to Boozer would be a player like David Robinson. A guy who can play the high post on offense but is very good defensively in the low post. With Noah, you have two power forwards, both of which offer different liabilities on defense against the elite front courts of the league.
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