Anyone troubled by this?

[TeyshaBlue]

If criticizing certain practices of Islam that I think are backward-assed and barbaric makes me Islamophobic, then I'm Islamophobic.

Weird. This wasn't declared illegal in the US until 1996.

btw...where do you find this in the Koran/Quaran/Qur'an (would somebody please ing standardize this spelling)?

[MannyIsGod]

I think it's perfectly acceptable for a school to focus on religions that have had a significant impact on history, and leave out those that are relatively minor in the big scheme of things. I think the expectation that schools might have to accommodate every religion is as absurd as the idea that they have to incorporate every theory on a subject just to be "fair".

Sure, but a random mosque has no historical significance.

The problem I see here is can you imagine the students visiting a Wiccan organization and the uproar that would cause? There's no reason to expose children to religion at school unless there is a valid historical reason

[DarrinS]

Weird. This wasn't declared illegal in the US until 1996.

btw...where do you find this in the Koran/Quaran/Qur'an (would somebody please ing standardize this spelling)?

In a bizarre, politically correct move, the American Academy of Pediatrics actually sanctioned so called "ritual nick" as female cir cision option.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/07/he...cuts.html?_r=1

And in July of this year withdrew the policy statement.

I had no idea it had ever been legal in the US.

[Spurminator]

If criticizing certain practices of Islam that I think are backward-assed and barbaric makes me Islamophobic, then I'm Islamophobic.

It's not your criticism that makes you Islamophobic. The frequency and manner in which you communicate those criticisms is only symptomatic of your Islamophobia.

You think that anyone who is Muslim, even in America, is inherently a greater threat to this country by virtue of his or her Muslim beliefs. You feel that all Muslims share accountability for the actions of terrorists who share their religion, and that they should vocally protest and/or apologize for those terrorists. You are admittedly skeptical of Muslim-looking passengers on the same plane as you.

It's become your sole reason for posting on this board. As Galileo is to 9/11 conspiracies and Ron Paul, you are to Bad Muslims. The shoe fits, buddy. Sorry. Not everyone who disagrees with Islamic practices is Islamophobic, but only Islamophobic people obsess over Muslims as much as you do.

And it's all central to your opposition to a mosque in Lower Manhattan.

[DarrinS]

You think that anyone who is Muslim, even in America, is inherently a greater threat to this country by virtue of his or her Muslim beliefs. You feel that all Muslims share accountability for the actions of terrorists who share their religion, and that they should vocally protest and/or apologize for those terrorists.

fail

[MannyIsGod]

Its the truth. You're obsessed. The fact that you think that regular Muslims in NYC need to somehow change their actions based on extremists.

[LnGrrrR]

If criticizing certain practices of Islam that I think are backward-assed and barbaric makes me Islamophobic, then I'm Islamophobic.

Do you think male cir cision is also barbaric? Some people do; just curious if you do as well. (Note: I'm not suggesting the two are equal in terms of health/safety or barbarism, and recognize that male cir cision is usually a) performed soon after birth to minimize trauma and b) has positive benefits, such as reducing AIDS transmission.)

I ask this because if one were to take video of a moyel performing a ritual cir cision on a baby, I would assume that would also look somewhat barbaric.

[LnGrrrR]

Sure, but a random mosque has no historical significance.

Well, I would assume they would use it as representative of mosques in general. After all, not every class can go visit historically relevant cathedrals/churches/etc.

The problem I see here is can you imagine the students visiting a Wiccan organization and the uproar that would cause? There's no reason to expose children to religion at school unless there is a valid historical reason

I would argue that Wicca has obviously done much less of historical note than Islam. The only time that Wicca was probably historically relevant was during the Witch Trials of Salem. (And let me tell you, as a student in Lynn, MA, a field trip to Salem, MA is tons of fun in October. I plan on visting when I go back home next month.)

[MannyIsGod]

Historical significance is really really really subjective. You get into a lot of problems when you call a group historically insignificant. This is why I think its better to avoid things.

[ChumpDumper]

If criticizing certain practices of Islam that I think are backward-assed and barbaric makes me Islamophobic, then I'm Islamophobic.

Do you think all Muslim girls are subject to genital mutilation?

Do you think they genital mutilation is an exclusively Islamic practice?

[fraga]

Oh sweet baby jesus...you mean these kids were DRAGGED to this place of devil worship and FORCED to pray to this evil prophet...now this is what I call GOTCHA religion by the left wing elitest...and...oh no wait...or

This was a field trip where the parents were "given" the option to have their kids visit a Muslim center where while they were "asked" to pray along...

[ploto]

Would you be so upset if this had happened at a Christian church and some kids voluntarily prayed there?

[Spurminator]

If that had happened, Nbadan would have posted a thread instead of Yonivore.

[LnGrrrR]

Historical significance is really really really subjective. You get into a lot of problems when you call a group historically insignificant. This is why I think its better to avoid things.

Eh, I think it's rather obvious that the Judeo-Christian religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) have all had significant historical impact, moreso than many other religions. You're not saying a religion is historically insignificant, just that teaching time is limited and so lessons are restricted to the religions with the most impact.

I mean, kids today in history learn about the Crusades, why the Pilgrims came to America, how Protestantism came about, etc etc. All these events were severely influenced/motivated by religion, and yet they still teach them.

[Spurminator]

fail

Oh?

Let's go point by point...

You think that anyone who is Muslim, even in America, is inherently a greater threat to this country by virtue of his or her Muslim beliefs.

Evidence supporting this claim:

It's weird how a statistically insignificant number of reported Toyota problems leads to Toyota spending billions of dollars, having their brand tainted, and having their president grilled before congress.

I'm sure not ALL Toyotas are coffins on wheels.

But just don't apply the same principle to a few "defective" Muslims.

Do you think Muslims commit a disproportionate number of terrorist attacks?

Those poor, beseiged Muslims. Why, they're as harmless as puppies. Why on Earth would anyone scrutinize them?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rorist_attacks

Probably. They're too busy frisking old women and single moms. Too bad they won't profile high risk individuals.

Check.



Next...

You feel that all Muslims share accountability for the actions of terrorists who share their religion, and that they should vocally protest and/or apologize for those terrorists.

Evidence supporting this claim:

The creation of this thread: http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162294

Also,

No, I'm saying there's a reason that people will be su ious (and rightfully so) of Muslims. I actually feel bad for the regular, law-abiding, moderate Muslim. They suffer because their religion has so many America-hating nutjobs. But, it's not my job to apologize to the moderate Muslim for the extremists among them.

(Article posted as new thread, presumably because you agree with it... Highlight quoted)

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdCo...aspx?id=186290

...Treating homegrown terror acts as isolated incidents of psychological disturbances while denying their ideological roots has given American Muslim leaders the illusion that they can achieve public acceptance without engaging in serious introspection and responsibility sharing for allowing victimhood, anger and en lement to spawn such acts.

And here's a BONUS POST where you attempt to justify your phobia scientifically:

An interesting study:

Prejudice Is Hard-Wired Into The Human Brain, Says ASU Study

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0525105357.htm

So for someone who is not Islamophobic you sure spend a lot of time arguing that it's reasonable and justified for you to be Islamophobic.

[Wild Cobra]

I can understand where it might be poor thinking on the teacher's part,

You're kidding, right?

With all the media coverage of not allowing religion in the schools, how can these teachers even consider such a thing? i would say they are either stupid to the point of being unqualified, or they are pushing an agenda in the schools.

All involved should be fired. No if, ands or buts.

[Veterinarian]

I'm troubled by the fact that you can still start threads.

[LnGrrrR]

You're kidding, right?

With all the media coverage of not allowing religion in the schools, how can these teachers even consider such a thing? i would say they are either stupid to the point of being unqualified, or they are pushing an agenda in the schools.

All involved should be fired. No if, ands or buts.

If a student asked to be involved in a prayer, and it didn't interrupt the class lesson, wouldn't you say denying that would be a denial of a student's freedom to express their religion?

[Wild Cobra]

If a student asked to be involved in a prayer, and it didn't interrupt the class lesson, wouldn't you say denying that would be a denial of a student's freedom to express their religion?

Why is it OK to pick and choose what religion is OK for academia? Liberals put a stop to Christianity any chance they get in the schools. If they are fair, they wouldn't allow other religions sponsored school activities.

Again, it's the hypocrisy that is the issue here. Is this too complicated of a nuance for you?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Why is it OK to pick and choose what religion is OK for academia? Liberals put a stop to Christianity any chance they get in the schools. If they are fair, they wouldn't allow other religions sponsored school activities.

Again, it's the hypocrisy that is the issue here. Is this too complicated of a nuance for you?

I am begining to think you don't understand what hypocrisy means..

[fraga]

He sure as knows what "nuance" means...

[LnGrrrR]

Why is it OK to pick and choose what religion is OK for academia? Liberals put a stop to Christianity any chance they get in the schools. If they are fair, they wouldn't allow other religions sponsored school activities.

Again, it's the hypocrisy that is the issue here. Is this too complicated of a nuance for you?

lol nuance

If I read correctly, this was a series of field trips taken to various religious areas. Of course, if the teachers didn't allow children to pray at a church, but did at a mosque, I'd have problems with that. But that isn't what happened, is it?

Liberals don't put a stop to Christianity; they put a stop to organized prayer. Kids are, AFAIK, still allowed to pray on their own in their free time, and there are a few religious-based after-school clubs in many schools as well.

[Wild Cobra]

lol nuance

If I read correctly, this was a series of field trips taken to various religious areas. Of course, if the teachers didn't allow children to pray at a church, but did at a mosque, I'd have problems with that. But that isn't what happened, is it?

Liberals don't put a stop to Christianity; they put a stop to organized prayer. Kids are, AFAIK, still allowed to pray on their own in their free time, and there are a few religious-based after-school clubs in many schools as well.

Now if that is correct, that changes things.

I didn't see anything about other religions for this. Is there a link available?

[TeyshaBlue]

Now if that is correct, that changes things.

I didn't see anything about other religions for this. Is there a link available?

See post #11. They were to visit a church, a mosque, a synagogue..etc...

[Wild Cobra]

See post #11. They were to visit a church, a mosque, a synagogue..etc...

Thank-you.

Consider most or all of what I said taken back. I somehow missed that key information.