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It should. Remember, in the words of Obama, "UPS and FedEx are doing just fine. It's the Post Office that's always having problems."
Can you explain to me why places with this watered down and ty health care for all maintain much higher levels of health?
It should. Remember, in the words of Obama, "UPS and FedEx are doing just fine. It's the Post Office that's always having problems."
Not everybody will do that. Especially when they already billed the insurance and the insurance denied the claim.
But I agree this is one of the main drivers of higher prices.
Its very practical of me Darrin. When was the last time you saw me claim to be some sort of communist? Don't let the facts stop you from creating strawmen, however. I would hate to see that.
Canadians love their system. Just ask them.
The profit margin of a company doesn't tell the whole story by any means. Its a gross oversimplification because it doesn't' take into account what they spend their money on.
In the end all insurance boils down to is a subsidization of risk by other parties. Insurance is actually the type of business model that I feel people should have very little problem with government picking up because its a society wide subsidization of risk and as you pointed out earlier with university Hospital we already pick up the slack for the most expensive portion of society.
Because we've given these companies tangible benefits (subsidies, legislation allowing them bully providers) in order to reduce the cost of care, but ultimately their goal never is to reduce the cost of care. Their fiduciary duty is to their shareholders, not their customers.
If you would take out those tangible benefits, then you would hear a lot less ing about their profits.
You guys still want to find a villain in this. The fact is, there isn't one. Health care is just too damn good. Theres a pill/surgery/procedure for virtually every single thing that ails you and we are aggressively researching to "cure" the few things we can't cure now.
People live longer. People use health care more. People don't believe in living with pain. Hip hurts? Don't take aspirin...lets just put you a new hip in! It's all expensive.
When someone doesn't die of that heart attack they had at 50 (like they would have 40 years ago) they end up using another 40 years of very expensive health care.
Your juke moves need work. You may have completely avoided the question but you're still lying on the ground.
I'm surprised you didn't post your favorite youtube to go along with that post.
I think you're trying to peg us with something that isn't true. Its not about villians at all but about health care access and a healthier society.
So why do you oppose to such compe ion and see who wins out?
Isn't that what free market is all about?
the canadians hate their system
I talk to them in the winter when they come down here. They can only stay down in Yuma 6 months because they have to pay insurance when down here. But they can not get treatement in canada quickly.
they can not believe the USA people would want care like Canada!
No such thing. It's about finding a good system that provides better access at a balanced cost. We're simply paying a lot more for worse coverage than other places in the world.
And I admit it. I'm a selfish asshole. I pay a lot of money in taxes and don't want to pay more to subsidize people that made bad lifestyle choices.
That guy that hassles me for change/beer money every time I go to the Valero around the corner from my office? I don't feel obligated to pay for his liver transplant when he needs it. Even worse, I don't want the sucker on the list ahead of me or my wife, or daughter if we need one, since I'm paying for his too.
Yeah, I'm a greedy heartless bas .
Everybody will tell you a different story. My sister lived in Canada for years. She never had problems with access or quality of care.
If anything, her main complain was with taxes.
Thats understandable CC. I don't want to give bums money either. But this is where pragmatism comes in. When I think about government expenditures I realize that issues like healthcare pose hidden costs on the system that are rarely addressed and that society foots the bill for one way or another.
This is just an analogy, but if I told you that the bum across the street would break into your car and cause you 400 dollars in bills to repair and replace items but could be avoided if you gave him 100 (assuming this was the only way to avoid it) you would likely give him the 100. Its not a fair situation, but the fact is that this is how things actually work from a social perspective. A lot of times government money spent up front in a wise manner can save our country money in the future.
I don't personally like the 'one mold fits all' either. I think if you can afford to buy better service, you should be able to. At the same time, I think it's important that everybody has baseline care.
Maybe that guy at the Valero is in that situation because he couldn't get access to care for mental treatment at an early age. Ultimately, a more healthy society benefits us all.
Manny, I would be all for a quality taxpayer subsidized "free clinic" system that was available to all that would cover basic stuff for 100% of the population. Colds, flue, pre-natal care, sprains, cuts, setting broken arms, generic drugs, etc...Then those that wanted more extensive coverage could purchase it. (it would be much cheaper because all the "basics" are already covered) Those that didn't purchase the extended coverage wouldn't get extended coverage.
Unfortunately, that makes too much sense...
And I'm not being an elitist here...I pretty much practice what I preach...I rarely go to the doctor...my insurance company offers a service where a nurse prac ioner comes to my office for the "little" things and they provide generic drugs as part of the service. I don't feel like I have to see a doctor and get the latest, greatest drug for everything...
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Actually the insurance pays for the uninsured as well.
Does coverage included every possible treatment?
I think Greece has a really higly ranked health care system, according to the WHO. Their economy is completely ed, but they have great health care.
Is the health care system the cause of all Greece's financial problems?
Is free health care up to and including organ and joint transplants an automatic right of citizenship?
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