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  1. #101
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    What exactly about his HoF speech turned you away from him?

    You missed it? It was the fact that he felt the need to call out everyone including some poor guy that made the team over him in H.S. It showed how petty he is.

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    You missed it? It was the fact that he felt the need to call out everyone including some poor guy that made the team over him in H.S. It showed how petty he is.
    Just like Kobe said live on national tv that he finally got one more ring than shaq

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    Just like Kobe said live on national tv that he finally got one more ring than shaq
    Carl, you saw the comparison I was drawing.

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    Carl, you saw the comparison I was drawing.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UziUhf1ukw

    Different situation. No one provoked Jordan. That's just the way he is..

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    Yea...I definitely got "arrogant and petty" from watching Jordan's Hall of Fame speech...

    "In all those videos..you never saw just me...you saw scottie pippen too"

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    i thought it was established that he's top 10 guard?

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    Kobe is clearly top 10 all time. In the modern era (since the NBA/ABA merger in the 70s) how many players have been a league MVP and have won 5 or more rings? Off the top of my head, Jordan, Kareem, Magic. Any others?

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    Laker fan perspective:

    "I've played with Hakeem and Duncan and I think Hakeem was the better player."

    Re: OMG HE WAS IN THE NBA HE KNOWS HOW CAN YOU ARGUE WITH HIM HE KNOWS MORE ABOUT BASKETBALL THAN YOU

    "I think Kobe is better than Lebron."

    Re: YOU SEE HES AN NBA PLAYER YOU CAN'T ARGUE WITH THAT THIS IS PROOF THAT KOBE IS BETTER.

    "Kobe is a top 10 guard of all time."

    Re: OMG HE'S STUPID HE'S SCARED NBA PLAYERS DONT KNOW ANYTHING LAKER RAAAAAAAAAAGE KOBE GOAT!!!!

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    Yep. Pretty obvious about the situation here.
    Pretty much. Based on the guard-play friendly type of rules today, I'd say Jordan easily gets 40 a game, unless if he gets a stacked team like Kobe.

    Kobe is great, but leave it to a stupid fan to take a compliment from MJ and turn it into an attack.

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    IMO, it's clear that Kobe isn't top ten of all-time.

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    Pretty much. Based on the guard-play friendly type of rules today, I'd say Jordan easily gets 40 a game, unless if he gets a stacked team like Kobe.

    Kobe is great, but leave it to a stupid fan to take a compliment from MJ and turn it into an attack.
    Didn't Pippen say if Kobe was able to score 81, Jordan woulda dropped 100 w/ these rules?

    And I'm pretty sure Jackson said Jordan could average 45 ppg in this era...

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    i thought it was established that he's top 10 guard?
    That was before he left the Magic & the Celtics dead in the ground. After that things have gotten quite preposterous.

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    crucify em cubby

    send thaat skunked ass to the tree of woe.

    thats it, and thats all

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    thats it, and thats all
    The line is from "Legends of the Fall."

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    Top 10 so he could be from 1-10. I respect what MJ says. At least he doesn't say that Kobe sucks.

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    That's funny. After he dropped 45 points on TD, Robinson, and Sean Idiot, y'all went out and got Bruce Lee Bowen. Why would y'all do that for a sidekick?

    Now you just trolling. Gotcha
    if he wasnt a sidekick why did the lakers need to get gasol?
    answer - bc kobe cant make the playoffs w/o a big man

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    This thread is full of fail. And if Michael Jordan really said that, he is full of . He is threatened by Kobe. I don't remember him giving Kobe props on his 81 point game and I'll bet he won't give him props when he wins #6 this year. I can only imagine what he will say when Kobe has 7 rings. F Michael Jordan.

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    lol when jordan says he wouldn't do what lebron did, lakerfan slobbers all over those comments but when jordan says kobe is top 10, lakerfan says he's "threatened." lmao.

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    MJ's prime was in the watered down 90's. After defeating Detroit, no player could touch MJ without getting the whistle. He was the Kevin Durant or DWhistle of his era. He would have no more success today than he had during his era. If guys like Dantley and English could have averaged 30 a night in the so-called tough 80's, what the you think Kobe could have done. The 80's was a tougher era, but the players today are much better.
    Not really. During the 1st 3-peat in his prime Jordan averaged 7-8 free throws at best...

    '91 - averaged 8 free throws on 22 shots a game.
    '92 - averaged 7 free throws on 23 shots a game
    '93 - averaged a whopping 26 shots a game and his free throw average stayed at 7 a game.

    Durant last year took 20 shots a game and is primarily a jumpshooter but still got to the line 10 times a game

    Now the comaparison to Wade gets even worse-
    2005 - on 17 shots a game Wade got 10 free throws a game
    2006 - on 19 shots a game he got 11 free throws a game
    2007 - on 19 shots a game he got 11 free throws a game
    2008 - 2010 - his free throw averages have been between 9-10

    So Durant and Wade both averaged 2-3 free throws more than Jordan on anywhere from 4-7 less shots a game. Obviously Jordan played in an era where the refs didn't blow the whistle as much while today's players are in a league that's much more whistle-happy and willing to parade their stars to the foul line. Wade is basically Jordan-lite so if he can get to the line that many times on less than 20 shots a game I see no reason why prime Jordan wouldn't dominate the of this weak era. I think his scoring averages get inflated by 2-3 points.

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    He said he was top 10 of aLL guards and he never said "where he placed" in that 10 ...

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    lol when jordan says he wouldn't do what lebron did, lakerfan slobbers all over those comments but when jordan says kobe is top 10, lakerfan says he's "threatened." lmao.

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    Not really. During the 1st 3-peat in his prime Jordan averaged 7-8 free throws at best...

    '91 - averaged 8 free throws on 22 shots a game.
    '92 - averaged 7 free throws on 23 shots a game
    '93 - averaged a whopping 26 shots a game and his free throw average stayed at 7 a game.

    Durant last year took 20 shots a game and is primarily a jumpshooter but still got to the line 10 times a game

    Now the comaparison to Wade gets even worse-
    2005 - on 17 shots a game Wade got 10 free throws a game
    2006 - on 19 shots a game he got 11 free throws a game
    2007 - on 19 shots a game he got 11 free throws a game
    2008 - 2010 - his free throw averages have been between 9-10

    So Durant and Wade both averaged 2-3 free throws more than Jordan on anywhere from 4-7 less shots a game. Obviously Jordan played in an era where the refs didn't blow the whistle as much while today's players are in a league that's much more whistle-happy and willing to parade their stars to the foul line. Wade is basically Jordan-lite so if he can get to the line that many times on less than 20 shots a game I see no reason why prime Jordan wouldn't dominate the of this weak era. I think his scoring averages get inflated by 2-3 points.
    It's not only that every contact while driving is called a foul.

    The hand-checking allowed a defender to put his hand on the face of the offensive player, so the ofensive player had no choice but to turn around back to the basket, which is an considerable disadvantage. Once a player dribbled his way face to the basket and started driving, the defensive player could push the shoulders of the offensive player to prevent the driving and to force a direction change.

    In the paint were some really good defensive centers protecting the basket. There was no the 3 sec defensive rule, so the center could wait and position himself. And some degree of contact was allowed while contesting a shot. Today that's an automatic foul.

    The dribbling had to be excellent and the players had great body control to score with contact. Raw athletics can't replace skill.

    Not sure about other positions, they would probably suffer, guards/small forwards of the 80's/90's would definitively score more today.

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    if he wasnt a sidekick why did the lakers need to get gasol?
    answer - bc kobe cant make the playoffs w/o a big man
    He made the playoffs in 2006 with Kwame friggen Brown as his big man. It took him 35.4 ppg to do it, but it happened. If not for Tim Thomas' lucky as 3ptr, we might have went to the Finals that year. Why, you ask? Because even without Shaq, we owned the Mavs and the Clippers were still the Clippers. Nobody on the Clips or Mavs could stop Kobe from going nuclear. His 35.4 ppg that year was no fluke.

    Try again. Jackass.

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    He made the playoffs in 2006 with Kwame friggen Brown as his big man. It took him 35.4 ppg to do it, but it happened. If not for Tim Thomas' lucky as 3ptr, we might have went to the Finals that year. Why, you ask? Because even without Shaq, we owned the Mavs and the Clippers were still the Clippers. Nobody on the Clips or Mavs could stop Kobe from going nuclear. His 35.4 ppg that year was no fluke.

    Try again. Jackass.
    Look at this re making baseless conjectures that they would beat the Clippers and Mavericks in 2006.

    The same Clippers who forced the Suns into 7 games and the same Mavs who beat the Suns in the conference finals.

    Try this, if Kobe wasn't a quitter in game 7, maybe, just maybe you could have made the conference semi-finals.

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    MJ quit as well.

    Pippen too.

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    Look at this re making baseless conjectures that they would beat the Clippers and Mavericks in 2006.

    The same Clippers who forced the Suns into 7 games and the same Mavs who beat the Suns in the conference finals.

    Try this, if Kobe wasn't a quitter in game 7, maybe, just maybe you could have made the conference semi-finals.
    You are a clown. It's about matchups. Look it up. The Lakers were 2-1 against the Mavs that year and 2-2 against the Clips.

    Kobe quitting in game 7 is a joke at best. We were down 58-50 at the half - despite Kobe going off. So PJ made us change our strategy. Then we actually outstcored the Suns by 8 in the 3rd to go into the 4th tied at 75. Then we were outscored by 5 in the 4th losing by 5 measly points to a powerhouse Phoenix squad. Kobe still had a game high 22 that night as he was trying to get players like Cook, Kwame, Smush Parker, Lamar Odom and Luke Walton off. In other words PJ mandated that we try a more balanced attack. , it almost worked too.

    It is too convenient for non-Laker fans to say Kobe quit. He did what PJ told him to do just like he sacrificed his game for Shaq. Either way Kobe can't win with you losers. But, as long as he keeps collecting it's all good.

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