Present and accounted for, until further notice
This thread is so stupid.
Why the are all of you so eager to boast about hating a Spurs starter? I think it would be much more productive just appreciate what he does bring to the team and stop ing about what he is not bringing to the team. You aren't paying his salary so just shut the up and stop whining.
In the immortal words of Rahm Emanuel, Spurs fans are " ing re ed"
This. It doesn't look good now, but things looked even worse last pre-season.
..Unfortunatly this is the way it goes, some must feel the need to complain about something. That something here at ST is RJ and Bonner. No biggie really, just the way it is i guess...
a spoiled australian spurs fan? in your thread everyone pretended not to be a RJ-hater.
It's not so much that I hate Jefferson. It's just that herpes would probably contribute more to the team.Okay, so I've been ing about RJ for most of this year and I'm not the only one. I feel bad about it because I still really love the Spurs, but this guy just s me to tears. I think the thing that pains me most is that he could've been a 15mil expiring contract at the deadline, instead he's overpaid deadwood that we're unlikely to move, and who has locked up the SF position with mediocrity for at least 3 years. Ugh.
Anyway, I hope he proves me wrong, but I felt like we RJ-haters (not 'hate' in the literal sense, but in the 'fan on the internet' sense) needed somewhere to gather, vent our spleens, and then point to in vindication when we're proven correct. Righteous indignation is minor compensation for the fact that he hurts and re s our team, but it's something.
I like Bonner more than RJ right now. Yes, Im serious.
Bonner at least can spread the defense and draw out the big man. RJ was brought in to drive to the paint and provide the scoring the Spurs need when they go through their droughts. I really cant accept the fact that they are paying that much money for measly contribution.
I agree with the first part, but the very little I've seen of his jumpshot so far, coupled with Pop's infamous "you gotta shoot more" directive doesn't have me optimistic.
i am not on that bus yet, but after looking at last night's box score; i am walking to the bus stop.
if he doesnt produce at least the in the first 10 games, then save me a seat.
his jumpshot probably looks good in practice, hence why pop is telling him to shoot more and when he's open. they mentioned in the game yesterday that he thinks waaaay to much. i think that's what it is all about for RJ. last year it was more mechanical than anything. this year he clearly has better shot mechanics, so that's one--and the biggest-- hurdle he's already jumped.
lets hope for the best. because without an RJ hitting those shots this team doesn't stand a chance.
I'm taking mental notes . . .
I'm still actually somewhat unconcerned with his offense. I mean, I'll take whatever he can give us, but I don't want him to be a heir apparent to Bonner where his offensive contributions have to offset the subpar defense. If he can gives us consistent defense, the pressure on offense will diminish, and I think everyone will feel more comfortable.
After the trade with the Bucks, RJ's 2 years for $30M contract was already "sunk" cost. The Spurs made a bad decision there.
If the new contract RJ signed with the Spurs was for $39M, from the point of RJ it was an $24M extension at $8M per year, which is around what Odom got.
From the point of the Spurs, without the extension, the Spurs would pay for RJ's first year $15M + $7M tax + $3M tax retribution = $25M. That was already sunk cost.
However, with the re-signing, the Spurs paid extra $14M for 3 additional years, which isn't that bad. That's less than the MLE, which RJ can justify.
The Spurs could have pulled a Boozer on RJ, but that obviously isn't their style.
It's not a sure thing the Spurs are going to be under the tax this season yet. So that Tax retribution is still speculative. I'm sure they're looking to be, but if, say, they offer a contract to Simmons, they'll most likely be over it by a bit.
There's also other numbers that are harder to calculate, but could contribute, and I don't think should be entirely overlooked. For example, a team making the WCF makes more money than a team that exits in the first round. Could RJ's talent be the difference? Well, when RJ was signed Pop implied as much.
Lastly, there are other future contracts that come into play because the team agreed to those figures.
Don't get me wrong, I understand that they saved money in the short run. I'm not so sure they did in the long run.
Last edited by ElNono; 10-13-2010 at 02:50 PM.
Has RJ showed any signs of improvement on defense?
RJ is . nothing else to say
Bonner + RJ = failure for the Spurs
This how these threads always go: "RJ sucks! I hate RJ! He's a bad fit! Bad contract! 4 years! He will never be what the Spurs need him to be! The Spurs will never win with RJ as the SF!"
Then comes the caveat: ". . . but, I really hope he proves me wrong . . . I hope RJ improves and can help the team. The Spurs success depends on RJ doing well. I love the Spurs."
or get off the pot, you schizophrenic, bi-polar morons.
wrong, I let that boat sail ages ago.
there is no caveat, unless you live in the moon
They have the internet on the moon?!
I personally dont hate the guy. He is what he is. We shall see if he really has improved once Game 1 of the regular season begins. I bet some of the same people in here bashing him are the ones I see at the games with RJ jerseys jumping up and down when he throws down a dunk...
well those lunatics that still beleive RJ will improve substantially gotta live somewhere!
was discussing RJ last night with a couple friends (celtic, pacer fans). so i told them about his new shot, but we came to the conclusion that his problem is not really improving his skillset (he's not perfect, but he has skills), rather, the mental part. I hope his shot has improved too, but it wont matter much if he hasnt learned to play with more confidence, more toughness, and more aggression. like that bruce bowen guy
and though that is less likely than improving manual skills, i still have hope that RJ can do better in those areas, if only because we need him to. if/when a replacement comes i'll be happy to on him but now he's basically all we got at SF and, well, he's trying.
Nobody says they hate him. They simply point out how terrible he plays, then point to how terrible his contract is in so many ways. No Spurs fan wants RJ to bring down the team just so they can be right. First priority is always team success. Doesn't change the analysis, which currently hasn't changed from "he sucks".
I mostly agree, but the bolded part: is this not the RJ-hater's fanclub thread? Explaining away one's "hate" as founded upon logic is stupid, imo. Logic dictates one supports a starter on what he hopes to be at least a fringe contender, regardless of his ty contract (which should be pinned on the FO) or his expected suckiness (which is just pessimism). Just my .2 though.
Infamous? Wouldn't most coaches try to instill more confidence in a scorer whose struggling with his jumper, by giving him the green light to shoot more? Pop needs more scoring out of RJ, so I don't see a problem with Pop trying to boost RJ's confidence.
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