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    Pop's not going to crush RJ's confidence by replacing him with a rookie. And besides, James Anderson's postseason minutes will be scrawny, no matter how well he plays in the regular season. Pop needs a confident RJ come May and June.
    If RJ's confidence is that shaky that he can't come off the bench with Manu, then he shouldn't be on the team. Sometimes I feel like the Spurs are freaking running some kind of battered women's group with RJ. The guy should get his head out of his ass and play basketball. Anyway, the Spurs are trying to win a championship and if he thinks that coming off the bench is some kind of demotion, he should listen to what Manu says when he says that he doesn't matter if he starts or not, he just wants to be there in the 4th quarter.

    I like Anderson starting over RJ and I feel that the top three coming off the bench should be Manu, RJ and Blair. I think with the way Manu passes, he could get the most out of those two in the offensive end.

    The starters should be Parker, Hill, Anderson, TD and Splitter by the end of the season. RJ doesn't help spread the floor with his unreliable shot, he just clogs things up and maybe with enough minutes and burn, Anderson can help in places that RJ can't. I feel the Spurs are trying to make RJ something he's not and we'll see when enough is enough. I think RJ flourishes when he has someone with the kind of passing ability like Manu.

    Although now that I think about it, defensively I think my starting lineup would get killed by guards and small forwards but that's why I like Splitter in there and hope the guards would funnel guards towards Duncan and Splitter.

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    I think 'Jack tends to overrate and bandwagon players: THC

    Anderson has yet to earn a starting role and looks kind of chunky and out of shape out there as well. Its fine to be excited about players but this is just anxious haste brought about by being drunk imo. I see Anderson getting Blair-esque minutes though however I don't see him in a starting role unless someone gets injured or if Pop does some experimenting in the regular season.

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    I will say this the best way to get Anderson, Splitter, Temple, and even Jefferson confidence, and to put them in easy positions to score is to have them play with MANU.

    I agree Manu should start but in all honesty he is our second best PG and probably our best true PG. Yes, I love Tony but he is a scoring PG not someone who creates and passes alot though I think he is getting better. And NO I would not trade Parker.

    Having Manu makes the other players focus more on the details understanding they never know when they are going to get a fast ball and they better be ready or let it him them in the face.

    I wouldn't mind seeing this:

    PG. Manu
    SG. Temple
    SF. Anderson
    PF. Dice
    C. Splitter

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    So, lemme get this straight . . . Jack's proposed line-up is TP, Manu, JA, Beast and Timmy Duncs? OK . . . It's not bad. Especially if you want to maximize Jefferson's offensive punch, but is GHill going to be the guy to run with RJ? I guess I can see that happening. A running 2nd squad is actually a really good idea, but I don't know if the Spurs have the personnel to pull it off. They don't really have any running bigs and you need at least one . . . unless, dare I say it? Simmons at the 4? We saw it last night. RJ at the 3, Simmons at the 4 . . . I don't know if I am quite there with you, Jack, but I am intrigued.

    In other news, I went to the game last night and thought that Neal, Simmons, and Temple looked a whole lot better. Temple got away with a whole lot of feet shuffling. Bonner had a monster 1st half. How about that block?! I just wish he could play like that for a full 48 . . . or consistently, over the course of a whole season . . . or in the playoffs . . .
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    Sorry about the bee and car ... can't do much about the bee but what about the car? Blow a gasket or worse? Rear-main?
    Rear main looks like... car has 127k+ miles on it, so I'm basically shopping for something...

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    I'm that confident in Anderson to believe him starting would be better for him, RJ and the team overall in the long term.

    It's not solely about skill set with Anderson. What I'm saying is, starting him puts everyone in their best position to succeed. We know the Big 3 will be fine together and I believe Blair makes the most sense to start, all things considered ('Dyess' age, Splitter's inexperience and acclimation period, Bonner's Bonner-ness and the fact that Blair is their most talented big outside of Duncan and needs the reps), so why not put a young fella out there who can shoot the ball and defend as well as anyone else at the 3 and allow Jefferson to come off the bench looking to score right off the bat?

    Go watch those YouTubes 'Tres put up a couple of days ago. RJ was a completely different player when it was essentially he and Manu having the offensive onus put on them. If he's able to come in and get things going mid-way or later through the first, it'll benefit he and the team for the duration of the game - it's about getting the individual to succeed in order to make the team succeed, which is all about putting the players in the right position -- at the right time -- to be the best player possible. That's why I'm suggesting RJ should come off bench.

    Anderson and Blair are going to have to come through for this team to go deep. Get them their reps early, let them both sink or swim and -- at worst -- you know what you need to go after in the trade market. You don't believe you know what you need, you know what you need.
    Maybe later in the season. Right now, I'm fine with the current starting lineup. If Jefferson falters with that group and they need to shake things up, then he could come off the bench.

    How do you know for certain that Jefferson isn't in the best possible position to succeed starting? There isn't three years of evidence to go off of here. There's one disjointed season.

    Anderson can defend as well as anyone at the three? I'm not ruling it out, but I'm not going to say that definitively at this point, either.

    You can still know what you need with Jefferson starting and Anderson coming off the bench.

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    I think RJ earned his starting job, being here last year, working out in the summer to improve his game. No way pop and his coaching staff after putting so much effort this offseason to help him out, are going to send him to the bench and start a rookie. I like Anderson, but it makes no sense to start him based on what he MIGHT do, its like going to your boss and saying, 'hey give me a raise, and then I'll work harder'.

    Manu is unique, how many borderline allstars getting 10+ mill would be ok coming of the bench in the nba? Saying that Jefferson is bit of a prima donna, isn't completelly fair, he's definetly in the majority when it comes to that in the nba.

    Sure it might seem like a good idea to start Anderson after a couple of brewskies, but lets see Anderson show us something, before we let our fantasies run wild.

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    Some of you are hlarious. The reigning Big 12 Player of the year and someone who passes the eye-test -- while not even being in game-shape just yet -- can't be viewed as a potential starter? RJ earned his starting role? Manu must be pissed.

    I'll put together a piece the next opportunity I get. But I'm essentially hoping for Anderson to be the Spurs' Courtney Lee of sorts. Different player but the same kind of prominent role from Day 1 (or early on).

    Just too many mouths to feed if the Big 3, RJ and Blair are out there together. ... The cohesion and fit just isn't good enough on either end of the court -- they need some specialists or players whose skill set works for a specialized role.

    That's why Anderson makes sense, and that's why the Spurs played their best stretch of ball once everyone was back healthy had Bogans starting. It put people it better, more opportune spots -- I'm gonna go out on a huge limb (one that could be seen through a microscope) and say Anderson's a better basketball player than Bogans. I realize he hasn't played an official NBA game yet, but I tend to make my assessments off things like watching players play and stuff.

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    I think this could be an interesting experiment down the line. If I were to do this, I would make this the starting lineup:

    Parker
    Hill
    Anderson
    Duncan
    Splitter

    Partially because I feel Splitter will probably be the starter in the long run, and because I support starting Hill at the 2 and bringing Manu off the bench. However, if nothing else, this should be tested because of the sick 2nd unit it would create:

    Hill/Temple
    Ginobili
    Jefferson
    Blair
    McDyess

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    Start both Anderson and Blair at our Forwards? What are we trying to start the smallest players possible at each position?

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    Fact is spurs played their best basketball at the end of the year, when they were in danger of missing the playoffs, boguns was not in the starting lineup then. Some people can't get past their love of a promising rookie, to see clearly enough, luckily Pop is incharge.

    As I said, I like Anderson alot, he's the quiet type, putting extra pressure on him at the get go, wouldn't be smart. Pop will bring him up slowly it appears, which is the smart thing to do, let him get comfortable first.

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    I think a lot of you are confusing starting with playing more minutes. I'm not for Anderson getting more minutes ahead of RJ at this point or even finishing games in place of RJ. What's the big deal with starting ? If you've been following Pop at all these past years. Starting dosen't mean anything

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    Starting like the way PHX uses Collins for a few minutes and then brings in Frye.

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    Hey 'jack who does Anderson remind you? Personally he reminds a little bit of finley but better defensively.

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    I'm both sick and drunk, so take with a huge grain of paprika, but Anderson should start and Jefferson should come in with Hill to give Parker and Anderson a blow.

    Why? Other than I said so ... Anderson is a small forward in the NBA. He's the best option they've got currently to compliment and augment the inside game of Duncan, Blair and Parker to start, and he's shown enough for me to believe he'll guard on the perimeter as well as any of their bigger guards/swing players. Plus, RJ comes in as option 1 or 2 and is forced to engage early. It's been quite apparent if he doesn't get involved early or see the ball go in the hole a couple of times early on, he becomes essentially a wallflower -- catch the ball, move the ball, don't-do-much-if-anything unless Moses has parted the sea or the only option is to make a play for himself.

    Bottom line, this team's success -- as currently constructed -- depends upon their growth potential. If the team's able to get it done without a trade -- and maybe even with a trade -- it'll be because their youth became relevant; legitimate players the team's success is dependent upon. Thus, let them get their hacks in early; they need the reps (Blair and Anderson, specifically).

    So if it's me, my starting 5 to start the season: Parker - Ginobili - Anderson - Blair - Duncan. Do it to it.

    Whatcha thank 'bout dat?
    I see the reasoning behind giving Anderson time with the starters and giving him development opportunities. But I don't think the Spurs are going to see it that way. They want to win games quickly, early and often this season. It will be a different approach to the early season games that we as fans will have seen in awhile. I think Manu or Tony even quoted it in one of these articles...they will place more emphasis on winning regular season games so they can get a good (HCA) seed in the playoffs.

    So basically I don't think the reward (having Anderson prove to develop into a solid option on this year's team) is worth the downside risk -- falling behind early in regular season games and have to

    a. play the big 3 heavy minutes to make comebacks in early regular season games, because they fell behind by playing a rookie and having him try, in vain, to D up some legit NBA SFs

    b. lose some regular season games they should have won, and regret it later

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    and Jefferson should come in with Hill to give Parker and Anderson a blow.
    Seriously???

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    I see where you are coming from, but Anderson has not shown me nearly enough to warrant this.

    I am more concerned with the Manu starting compared to Hill vs. the RJ/Anderson thing. Is it inconceivable that Anderson starting could work out best? No. But Anderson really has not shown to be anything more than a hot potato guy right now.

    RJ is also not like Manu mentally. He is much, much weaker mentally. RJ would take it as a demotion imo and I can't see Pop doing that to his confidence. RJ needs to be coddled seemingly and moving him to the bench for a rookie could be a death knell to RJ's already fragile confidence.

    But, if Anderson can be the guy the he was in college (a pure scorer and silky shooter), then I can see this working out. But I just have not seen anything to indicate that at this point.

    I would bring him off the bench, and the first signs of him catching on, I would consider it (depending on how RJ/Manu in the starting lineup is functioning).

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    If RJ's confidence is that shaky that he can't come off the bench with Manu, then he shouldn't be on the team. Sometimes I feel like the Spurs are freaking running some kind of battered women's group with RJ. The guy should get his head out of his ass and play basketball.

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    Hey 'jack who does Anderson remind you? Personally he reminds a little bit of finley but better defensively.
    He reminds me a of alot of Vinnie(microwave) Johnson

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