Mexico is our biggest threat to national security

[RoddyBukkake]

and the only solution is to mobilize and militarize our southern border. We need to take the troops returning from Iraq and mobilize on our borders... namely Texas. Mexico will cry foul, but it will show that we are resolute on keeping the violence from spilling across our borders. Before ya'll claim racism, I'm Mexican and my dad was born in Ciudad Juarez.... he agrees.

If this senseless killing and lawlessness continues, we should invade Northern Mexico, restore order, then hand it back.

are you an anchor baby?

[Winehole23]

The justification is the level of corruption throughout the country. Immigration would not be an issue if it were not for the corruption in Mexican political culture. If they do not have the sense or ability to revolt then we should overthrow that piece of government for them.

I know you don't mean just war theory. What justification?

Maybe we should give Mexico a chance to take care of its own business.

However horrible Mexico is, us taking Mexico over is an even worse idea. The men, the materiel and the political will are all ostensibly lacking for such an adventure. I see no good outcomes for us there.

How is invading and overthrowing Mexico a better idea than remaining allies and continuing to help/influence Mexico (by invitation) within its borders?

Little help, FuzzyLumpkins?



(puzzled)

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I know you don't mean just war theory. What justification?

Maybe we should give Mexico a chance to take care of its own business.

However horrible Mexico is, us taking Mexico over is an even worse idea. The men, the materiel and the political will are all ostensibly lacking for such an adventure. I see no good outcomes for us there.

How is invading and overthrowing Mexico a better idea than remaining allies and continuing to help/influence Mexico (by invitation) within its borders?

Little help, FuzzyLumpkins?


(puzzled)

Lol I am not saying we should violate the sovreingty of a nation state. I am just saying that the corruption there is a better justification than the drug war.

The bribe as a way of doing business is ingrained in their political structure from the national to local level. It would take an occupation spanning several generations to even have a chance and we are corrupt as over here too.

[boutons_deux]

The only reason the US would invade MX is the same as always, to protect/increase US corporate assets/profits/markets. eg, the US would have murdering mercenaries guarding MX Wal-marts.

[rjv]

prediction, usa will actually follow through with a healthy plan to kick the illegals we have here out by 2014. that's change and hope we can look forward too.

another prediction. jack continues to drive on roads, go into dwellings, purchase produce, eat at restaurants that continue to be driven by a percentage of illegals. then years from now lives in a country that is being populated by the second generation of these illegals.

[CosmicCowboy]

The USA exporting subsidized agricultural products, esp corn, to MX has destroyed 1000s of small farmers, and "addicted" MX to US production, which is always the objective. Many of US-impoverished small farmers have come to the US trying to make money to send back to their familites, NOT to work the drug trade or criminal life.

Uhhh....Boutons, as usual, you don't know what the you are talking about. US policies have driven the price of corn UP and not DOWN. Ethanol subsidies/mandates have totally ed up the market. Mexico EXPORTS corn to the US, not the other way around. In fact, US ethanol policy has actually created a tortilla shortage in Mexico because farmers have switched from growing white corn for tortillas to growing yellow corn for export. Drive down Hwy 90 from San Antonio to Del Rio this time of year and you will see trainload after trainload of grain cars full of corn heading north out of Mexico.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Let's invade every country with failing governments, install new governments, and give the keys back when we're done. It will cost next-to-nothing, and there will be very little risk of US casualties. win-win.

[boutons_deux]

Uhhh....Boutons, as usual, you don't know what the you are talking about. US policies have driven the price of corn UP and not DOWN. Ethanol subsidies/mandates have totally ed up the market. Mexico EXPORTS corn to the US, not the other way around. In fact, US ethanol policy has actually created a tortilla shortage in Mexico because farmers have switched from growing white corn for tortillas to growing yellow corn for export. Drive down Hwy 90 from San Antonio to Del Rio this time of year and you will see trainload after trainload of grain cars full of corn heading north out of Mexico.

Before the corn ethanol boon doggle and the farm commodity bubble, US subsidized corn undercut MX subsistence farmers. When the US-to-MX flow of corn was in place, and the small MX farms were destroyed, the US policies did raise the price of corn. MX was really pissed because so much of their diet is based on corn (which is actually crappy food), but they were "addicted" to US corn and couldn't restart 1000s of subsistence farmes, many of whom moved away from their farms and/or left for USA.

[CosmicCowboy]

Before the corn ethanol boon doggle and the farm commodity bubble, US subsidized corn undercut MX subsistence farmers. When the US-to-MX flow of corn was in place, and the small MX farms were destroyed, the US policies did raise the price of corn. MX was really pissed because so much of their diet is based on corn (which is actually crappy food), but they were "addicted" to US corn and couldn't restart 1000s of subsistence farmes, many of whom moved away from their farms and/or left for USA.

In other words, you were wrong. Current US policies are good for Mexican farmers.

[rjv]

In other words, you were wrong. Current US policies are good for Mexican farmers.

mexico has become an export-dependent economy, but this has not benefited most mexicans. mexican manufacturing is based on a production model in which component parts are imported, then processed or assembled and then re-exported. the spillover effect of such operations on the broader economy is very limited.

there are many bad assumptions made regarding the impact that NAFTA had for mexico's labor force. unemployment rates are actually higher in mexico since NAFTA and those jobs that have been migrated to mexico's US owned maquiladoras average a daily (not hourly) wage of 7.00.
peasant agriculture has been wiped out by the arrival of agri-business and the lifting of restrictions on the sale of peasant land. industrial employment has been devastated by the closure of hundreds of plants unable to compete with the transnationals under the new trade laws. and peasants and workers displaced have headed north in greater numbers. before NAFTA, illegals came mainly from four or five mexican states and a limited number of mostly rural municipalities. since NAFTA, migrants have originated in all mexican states, practically all municipalities, and cities as well as towns and villages.

[RandomGuy]

and the only solution is to mobilize and militarize our southern border. We need to take the troops returning from Iraq and mobilize on our borders... namely Texas. Mexico will cry foul, but it will show that we are resolute on keeping the violence from spilling across our borders. Before ya'll claim racism, I'm Mexican and my dad was born in Ciudad Juarez.... he agrees.

If this senseless killing and lawlessness continues, we should invade Northern Mexico, restore order, then hand it back.

... or we could simply take steps to legalize the drugs.

I don't think invading is "the only" solution.

[MannyIsGod]

The Mexicans will greet us as liberators.

[boutons_deux]

In other words, you were wrong. Current US policies are good for Mexican farmers.

I was right, as always.

The US predatory marketing of agricultural products and subsidies undercuts local production and self-sustenance, benefits the US corps and foreign corporate importers, but impoverishes and makes the poor dependent on US production. It's ing evil. Europe's heavily subsidized crops do the same. About half of the entire European budget is CAP, common agricultural policy, allowing the subsidized food corps to dump the products on poor countries and hold down world commodity prices.

[z0sa]

It'd be better than fighting for resources in the name of Democracy on the opposite side of the globe, but almost equally stupid. War and killing must be the absolute final resolution, when literally every other alternative has been exhausted. That means ending our useless War on Drugs in this case.

[MannyIsGod]

In any event, for this to happen you'd have to believe the US actually gave a about what happens to the Mexicans. That is pretty ing LOLable if you ask me.

[jack sommerset]

In any event, for this to happen you'd have to believe the US actually gave a about what happens to the Mexicans. That is pretty ing LOLable if you ask me.

That's pretty ing laughable and ignorant if you ask anyone with a brain. Obviously the US does care what happens to Mexicans or we would not be having this same bull debate over and over. We would not have millions in our country illegally and legally.

Why don't you care about Mexicans?

[CosmicCowboy]

Are you kidding? The US may talk but they really don't care about Mexico as long as they are politically stable and a pseudo democracy.

[MannyIsGod]

That's pretty ing laughable and ignorant if you ask anyone with a brain. Obviously the US does care what happens to Mexicans or we would not be having this same bull debate over and over. We would not have millions in our country illegally and legally.

Why don't you care about Mexicans?

@ debate meaning . Its a ing circle jerk for idiots like you. And yeah, the US cares so much it passed immigration reform and had a serious discussion on the results of its drug policy there.

You're right about one of our posts being really ing laughable though.

[MannyIsGod]

Are you kidding? The US may talk but they really don't care about Mexico as long as they are politically stable and a pseudo democracy.

Ding Ding Ding

[jack sommerset]

@ debate meaning . Its a ing circle jerk for idiots like you. And yeah, the US cares so much it passed immigration reform and had a serious discussion on the results of its drug policy there.

You're right about one of our posts being really ing laughable though.

You're in the middle of the circle jerk you idiot.

Why do you not care about mexicans?

[coyotes_geek]

Are you kidding? The US may talk but they really don't care about Mexico as long as they are politically stable and a pseudo democracy.

Pretty much.

[MannyIsGod]

You're in the middle of the circle jerk you idiot.

Why do you not care about mexicans?

You think repeating the question somehow makes it something I'm going to take seriously? I understand that you're a simpleton idiot who can't seem to understand that the United States government doesn't give two s about Mexicans except when they can use them to further a political agenda.

[z0sa]

Are you kidding? The US may talk but they really don't care about Mexico as long as they are politically stable and a pseudo democracy.

Not that you're wrong, but I LOL at the thought of Mexico being "politically stable." It would seem the drug cartels run that country. I consider what representation the Mexicans have a clever facade to keep the USA off their backs.

[jack sommerset]

You think repeating the question somehow makes it something I'm going to take seriously? I understand that you're a simpleton idiot who can't seem to understand that the United States government doesn't give two s about Mexicans except when they can use them to further a political agenda.

You said the United States doesn't care about mexicans. As many times as you want to say I'm a idiot doesn't change the fact that you are one. Now you want to say the US governement doesn't give two s about mexicans, of course unless if it's for "political" reasons only. That is such bull .

You know manny, there are citizens of this country and government elected officials that want to give full amnesty to all mexican illegals for the simple fact they believe it's the right thing to do. That they care about them. I have clue why you don't care about mexicans but that is on you.

[MannyIsGod]

You said the United States doesn't care about mexicans. As many times as you want to say I'm a idiot doesn't change the fact that you are one. Now you want to say the US governement doesn't give two s about mexicans, of course unless if it's for "political" reasons only. That is such bull .

You know manny, there are citizens of this country and government elected officials that want to give full amnesty to all mexican illegals for the simple fact they believe it's the right thing to do. That they care about them. I have clue why you don't care about mexicans but that is on you.

Thats why immigration reform has been passed. Thats why drug laws have been evaluated.

Yeah no.

I'm sure you care a lot about what they may say but their actions speak a lot louder than words and all I hear is silence.

What the do you think I was talking about when I said the United States if not the government? I don't give a what people believe when they don't care enough to act on it.