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    i think darrin is having second thoughts about his wealthy boss.

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    Spare me. Unless you were in medical school or taking care of a family, college life is not difficult.
    No Darrin. Everyone's experience does not mimic your coddled collegiate experience. Get over yourself and stop pretending to speak for me, dumb ass.

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    No Darrin. Everyone's experience does not mimic your coddled collegiate experience. Get over yourself and stop pretending to speak for me, dumb ass.


    I didn't even start college until I had been working for several years. I went to school at night and it took me 7 years to finish. LOL "coddled" experience. That said, my life was still easier then.


    Sorry you had to fry burritos. I never had to work much with food because I had other skills.

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    I think the disconnect is more like, "I have no money, but the ing banks do! Vote out the guys that did this."
    Yeah - there's obviously a lot of anger out there.

    My only point is that in 2 years if doesn't improve then we'll be doing this all over again. And if it does improve - it did so for factors unrelated to congress or legislation they passed.

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    @ Darrin S. Nice passive/agressive finish. Grow the up.

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    Yeah - there's obviously a lot of anger out there.

    My only point is that in 2 years if doesn't improve then we'll be doing this all over again. And if it does improve - it did so for factors unrelated to congress or legislation they passed.
    Yup...very likely the indies will swing again. And whether or not the economy improves due to legislation...perhaps. Classically, the conservatives' best role has simply been to act as a brake upon liberalism, IMO.

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    Darrin is it harder for you now because you have a family?

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    Darrin is it harder for you now because you have a family?


    Yes.

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    Figures.

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    Wait, what? I thought you were just giving me about how Clinton did good for our economy? Why don't you look at who signed Gramm–Leach–Bliley.
    /argument

    Clinton sucked.

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    The Strange Death of Fiscal Policy
    One clear result of the midterms is that we won’t have anything like a further round of stimulus. And this, in turn, means that the narrative all the Very Serious People will tell is that fiscal policy was tried, it failed, and that’s that.

    But the real facts don’t at all support the conventional wisdom.

    Actually, let me focus on an international comparison. You often hear the US experience contrasted with Germany: America, we’re told, went for Keynesian policies, while Germany chose austerity, and Germany did better.

    But as far as GDP is concerned, Germany did not, in fact, do better:


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    Yes, Germany did better on employment — but this reflects policies that American conservatives surely don’t support, including employment subsidies, strong unions, and rules making it difficult to fire workers.

    And what may be even more surprising: if we look at actual government purchases of goods and services, as opposed to transfer payments (many of them just payments from the federal government to states), Germany was more Keynesian than the United States:


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    So, it’s an amazing thing: Obama and company have managed to convince people that big government failed, without actually delivering big government.

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    DR, if NAFTA hurt the US so much, why is it helping Canada? They have many of the same standards for employment that we do.
    Missed this after my irrational, intolerant posts. My bad.

    It helps Canada because they have a) Universal Healthcare and b) decreased legacy costs due to a robust social security-type program.

    Their socialist policies make doing business there a net-gain in most instances for American companies that are used to paying for union healthcare and pensions.

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    Ding ding ding. No one ever addresses the point that socialized healthcare is a huge boon for businesses in countries that have it.

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    Ding ding ding. No one ever addresses the point that socialized healthcare is a huge boon for businesses in countries that have it.
    Its a truism so long as everything else is equal (conditions, pay scale, etc) that socialized healthcare is a big plus for business.

    Its not true when something else is unequal, ie Mexico.

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    Its a truism so long as everything else is equal (conditions, pay scale, etc) that socialized healthcare is a big plus for business.

    Its not true when something else is unequal, ie Mexico.
    If I give you a 100 dollars I'm giving you a 100 dollars regardless of whether nor not you you have 100,000 in debt.


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    The backbone of any healthy country is manufacturing of all kinds. It isnt glamorous and it doesnt have movies made about it that make the ins-and-outs of look excessively cool. , it doesnt even pay that much unless youre running the show. But you dont need 8 years of college to do it with all the resulting debt from that expensive education and you actually produce something tangible and useful.

    Clothes, cars, metals, stampings, forgings, ingots, structures, frames, if this country wanted, microchips and other computer components. This list is never-ending, so I will end it here.

    All that can be put in a package and sold to someone else, even a non-American. , a software designer at least produces something that can be sold, what does a lawyer sell? Boil it down, he sells advice.

    What does a banker sell? Boil it down, advice. A doctor? boil it down, advice. You cant export what they do, so how the ing do Americans think that everyone in this country should be a lawyer/doctor/banker/insurance salesmen/insert white-collar job here? Who will be the clients for their advice, other lawyers, doctors and bankers?

    This country has its collective head up its collectively large ass and to me, everyone seems so ignorant to the basic truths of it all, I dont really care anymore about any of you ers. Rot in , piss up a rope, take a big dive in a drained pool, more power to ya.

    Im raping you when you aint looking. Im going to suck this country dry for all its worth at the expense of every single one my neighbors, , in spite of my national neighbors. Americans, in general, are unworthy of anything, that the collective plight of the dumb s in the unemployment lines causes me no chagrin, but more a smile creeps on my face.

    Less for them, more for me. Its pretty obvious in my 30 years in this country that this is how it works. That some people (like a certain family member) have the gall to cry about whats fair or right has actually caused me to laugh in their face. I would do the same to a complete stranger with 3 kids and a tough story about the misfortunes of existence. you and your twisted sense of fairness, is what I would say.

    Your government has sold people like you out for the sake of people you will never meet. Even if you did meet them, they wouldnt want you or accept you, so you might as well get real comfortable with life's giant sandwich because its going to be your dietary source until the day you wipe your miserable stain off this planet.

    Im done. I stopped caring about 4 years ago and now I am completely devoid of an compassion for my fellow Americans. I dont care what happens to this country anymore than I care for what happens to geese that get separated from the flock heading south for the winter.

    Things come, things go. You live, you die. What happens to you personally should be important, what happens to everyone else is of no bearing on you. So long as youre crafty, have a work ethic and a little luck, them, youll be fine. Help those you care about and step over the bodies of the ones you dont.
    Wow DR that's pathetic. Good thing you aren't living through the great depression or even the 70's. You'd be jumping out of a window. Maybe you should think about therapy or better yet just leave that ty state you're living in.

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    Wow DR that's pathetic. Good thing you aren't living through the great depression or even the 70's. You'd be jumping out of a window. Maybe you should think about therapy or better yet just leave that ty state you're living in.
    LOL, that was a bad day, but the feelings are certainly true. This will be my only response to it only because I never intended this to be about "me" and that series of posts reeks of ego-centrism.

    But yeah, more or less, I dont much give a about my fellow humans anymore. My concentration is solely focused on me, my family and my company growing and succeeding even at the expense of everyone around me.

    Just kicked off our first military project and have a meeting in December for 3 more. Taking our corner alley-shop from mediocrity to wealth and posperity in less than one year. So, yeah, I hope this country continues its foreign wars, ! Make world war and kill everything that moves! Make American military equipment the standard of every NATO and UN country in the world by force if need be.

    Because all that means is mega-dollars to me and my family, at the taxpayers expense, until the end of my time. Seriously, nothing the American people are doing changes anything about this country, all Americans recognize the path of ultimate ruin we track down with this borrow-and-spend national policy.

    Oh sure, Americans want and vote for this practice to stop, but its pretty obvious the bought-and-paid for politicians arent listening. And since the American people are unwilling or unable to make them listen, I dont much give a anymore. I'll join the winning side and leech off them until theyre dry.

    Make war, borrow more, less jobs driving the cost of labor forever down, more concentration of wealth at the top, less power, more consolidation...maybe one (imaginary) day have lobbyists of my own buying politicians to start false wars for my privately held profit. Really, I just dont give a anymore.

    The only reason I was ever interested in politics at a young age is because of how completely broken I always thought the system was. 20 years later, it not only hasnt changed, its gotten far worse. Cant win, never will, dont care any longer. Time to win, time to excel, time to benefit, time to grow up and realize the reality of the system and how it can benefit you with hard-work, white skin and a minority business certification.

    Exploit the system to my benefit, at the expense of everyone around me if need be, forever and always.

    Like I said, this will be the only time I respond to the...outbursts I had in this thread. I am pretty much done with the political forum circle-jerk of not only this forum, but this country. 2 years from now, the Dems will be back in control, 4 years from now, the Repubs will be back in control. Because the monkeys think button pushing will actually change something or that this or that politician actually gives a about the voters in anyway. Im done with the illusion, done with the game. I'll comment from time to time on things that amuse me, or things that I find interesting, but I am really going to try and keep my less-than-amateur posts about economics and politics to a minimum.

    No one I know in the real world cares about any of this , I can count how many times I have had a verbal political discourse in the past 10 years. They seem to do fine with not knowing or having an opinion, I think I'll try it. Just going to try and block it out and focus on improving my lot in life by any means necessary. Its going to take perpetual war to do so, so with that said, I certainly hope Washington stays the present course of starting and prosecuting foreign wars until Im dead, which creates a very unsustainable fiscal policy, which destabilizes basically everything. But it and the people that policy affects.

    Thats all.
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    DR I don't think you truly believe all of what you say sometimes and I just think trying to note care is an exercise in futility but it is also a coping mechanism. That might just be me projecting, though.

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    Congratulations on you and your familys success DR. I hope you can find a way to enjoy it.

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    DR I don't think you truly believe all of what you say sometimes and I just think trying to note care is an exercise in futility but it is also a coping mechanism. That might just be me projecting, though.
    Not going to argue with you on that.

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    What happens to you personally should be important, what happens to everyone else is of no bearing on you.
    If you try to open a business in an area with poor educational standards, then the ty education of your potential employees has a pretty direct bearing on you.

    That is just one of the more obvious ways that you are interconnected with other people, directly and indirectly. The only way you can avoid that is to find some land and live as a hunter gatherer.

    If you are unwilling to do that, then you will be interconnected.

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